Dillion verses Hornady

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by Highland Lofts, Jun 9, 2020.

  1. silicosys4

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    Damn, why in gods name, when you feel that much resistance, do you try and bull through the stroke? After tens of thousands of rounds through a LnL, I've learned no good comes from forcing through a handle stroke when there is any significant resistance.

    As far as the punch getting stuck in the up position, I've found that happens a lot if you are spilling powder, as grains get stuck in the punch, tying it up...I've also found that the punch can clip small pieces of cup material off the primer if the primer shuttle is the least bit out of alignment, usually caused by powder or primer fragments in the primer shuttle channel. Those chunks of primer do a wonderful job of tying up the primer punch. Also, you can lightly sand or buff the edges of the primer shuttle and primer punch so they don't catch on each other
     
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  2. Jammersix

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    Oh, yum, Red vs. Blue.

    :cool:

    Start the popcorn, pour the beer!
     
  3. GW Staar

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    Different strokes for different folks....

    Of the three colors, which all do the job just fine, I chose the divergent green choice! ;) But in the process of choosing, Hornady was the first dropout. Why, it was just that to my personality, the bushings and separate dies were just more than I wanted to keep up with. What can I say, I was more attracted to RCBS/Dillon die plate/toolheads.....they just looked more convenient to me. And with a separate powder die screwed in each (and I use both Hornady and RCBS as the following picture shows, its cheaper than Dillon's preference of getting customers to buy a powder measure for each caliber.
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    Hornady on the left, RCBS on the right......no bushings. But was stowing them a problem? Not so much.....see the next picture.
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    The 308 one was not populated yet in the picture. For my new Pro Chucker 7 I had to punt......those die plates are bigger. Don't have a picture yet of that solution, but it worked out.
     
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  4. DRAINSMITH

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    Well, you have all noticed I have not been on the site much. 2018 was a bad year for me I had two strokes and fell and broke my back. Sitting at the computer for more than five min. kills me.
     
  5. GW Staar

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    We were all wondering. Glad you are able to make it back.......my different strokes comment was not about those kind of strokes!:( Not a laughing matter......

    We've missed your threads on your Hornady Equipment! And miss seeing the RED ROOM!!! Hope you are healing. I fell and destroyed a shoulder 2 years ago, had another heart problem last Halloween, and now hiding from Covid......so what's next! BTW is took me 14 months from my fall to have a shoulder again.....how's it looking for your back? Strokes......those are scary as hell. What have they done to you?
     
  6. DRAINSMITH

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    On April 19 2018 after a hard day on the backhoe, I got home and my wife asked me a question. I answered her but it was all garble. She asked me to smile and I did the next thing I knew she was loading me up in my truck rushing me to the hospital. I was laying in the ER for about an hour with wires running all over my body when my Dr. came rushing in. They called him from home. I spent the next day in the hospital and they ran all kinds of tests on me and decided that I had a "mini" stroke. The left side of my body was not acting right and my Dr. thought it might be permanent. But after 6 days everything was working fine. My Dr. told me to take it easy for 6 to 8 weeks before I did anything. Well 3 weeks later I was off to Ca. to see my grandkids. Right after I got back about a week on May 23rd I noticed my left leg was not doing what I was telling it to do. So I drove my self back to the hospital. When I got there I had to call the ER to come out and get me. I couldn't even get my leg out of the vehicle. Well, to make a long story short This one was a "major" stroke. I still haven't got full use of my left side. But no one has thrown dirt in my face yet. So I have kept on. With my left side not working right I tripped and fell backward on Sep 24th, 2018, and landed on my back, breaking it.
    Well, I sold my business and instead of working 7 days a week I now go to physical therapy twice a week and speech therapy once a week.
    So now instead of about two hours a day in the reloading room, it's down to about one hour a week spread over 5 days.
     
  7. DRAINSMITH

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    I have four Ammo-Plants and two single-stage presses. You can put any die in any press ad it is exactly the same.
    The first thing you do is find the press that the die sits the lowest to the subplate. This is your base press. I used two decapping dies that I bottomed out in the base press then I put one in the other press and put both dies at fully down. Now take a set of feller gauges and measure the gap from the base press and that is the thickness of a shim you will need for the other pres. You will need 5 shimes for each press. Just unscrew each female l-n-l bushing and insert the shim. do this on all presses using the base press as your start.
     
  8. GW Staar

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    Sorry for all that....getting old is terrific, in my experience......not. Private Message coming.

    Yes shims and finding the "base" press is how I do it on RCBS too......between my Summit and Rock Chucker. For my Die plates, my dies are permanent....just found it easier to buy separate dies. One set for progressive one set for singles....both of them. Progressively I choose to load pistol on one and rifle on the other.

    Hornady's bushings make it different for sure.....I'd probably shim the progressives too if I was using Hornady.
     
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  9. Jammersix

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    This simply isn't true.

    The Dillon SDB uses proprietary dies; standard dies won't fit.
     
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  10. GW Staar

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    He's referring to his presses....his setup....after shimming as he explained. "Any" meant any of his 6 presses.
     
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  11. 9mmepiphany

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    You do realize that he is referring to the six presses in the sentence preceding the one you quoted. He then goes on to explain how it is done in the next sentence.
     
  12. Reeferman

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    Damn Drainsmith when you do something you really do it. Take care, hope you recover and can stay in touch here and on other sites you go to.
     
  13. Blue68f100

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    Glad to see your still with us after your long break. Your health is way more important than this forum. Wish you a speedy recovery. Keep working at it, keep your PT going it will be the most beneficial in the long run.

    I've had back problems since 2003 4 major surgeries. Ended up with perminate nerve damage that runs down in to my feet. Not fun and a constant bother/pain I have to deal with. Had shoulder surgery a couple of years ago to re-attach a tendon so I could lift my arm again. Very little problem with it know, knock on wood. I had torn up my wrist and was using my other side when I damage my shoulder. As we got older we do not heal near as fast and seam to have more nagging pains throughout our body.
     
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  14. jmorris

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    I had, glad your still with us.
     
  15. tightgroup tiger

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    I had also. I hate hearing about other's health misfortunes. I guess I want everyone I like to live forever. That goes for all of you.
    I consider my health misfortunes as minor, nothing more than a couple worn out knees and some arthritis. I'm only 60 though but I have noticed that the older I get the faster the health problem are coming compared to when I was in my 40s.
    I hope this works out for you and I will be praying for you. I miss your posts.
    Take care of yourself and I hope to see you rejoining the forum on a more permanent basis to keep us Hornady guys going in a straight line.
    TT.
     
  16. Texas10mm

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    I broke my back at 18, had surgery. Been dealing with it for the past 40+ years. Not much is worse than that pain that radiates down the legs from the nerve damage.
     
  17. AR-Bossman

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    Whatever parts and pieces they used to fix @DRAINSMITH I have zero doubt came from his Hornady LnL stash.
     
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  18. jmorris

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    ^…I’ll tell the young guys one thing that’s for sure, with just the copayment on The MRI’s and CT scans I have to go through twice a year, I guess until I die now, one could buy any reloading setup they wanted and those things won’t “fix” anything, just hope that they alert someone that can do something about what’s there before it can kill me.

    Get what you want when you can, life is finite but the Dillon warranty is forever. :)
     
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  19. tightgroup tiger

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    Funny! I wish I came with a Dillon warrenty.
     
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  20. DRAINSMITH

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    The worst part about the whole thing is that I have always been a sick puppy. I liked the work. I would work 7 days a week all day and the only time I took off was the last two weeks in April and the first two weeks in May. I have found out that my most important job now is to not piss the wife off.
     
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    That's a very important job.
     
  22. Highland Lofts

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    I turned 62 in January and am getting broke down. Knees and shoulders, but you gotta keep plugging away.
    The older you get the longer it takes to get things done.
    I picked up the Dillion 650 yesterday, it has a new case feeder and set up for 223. It is set up to seat and crimp with the samecseater die. I will be adding a crimp die and just seat the bullets with the seater die.
    I have a Remington 700 in 338 RUM that I will be selling, when it sells I will buy my Hornady progressive and everything I will need to set it up.
    It will be fun to try these two presses set up side by side.

    Then set that Lee turret press kit up I bought for $35.
     
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  23. jmorris

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    I agree, if your body could be made “as new”, that would make loosing all your friends and folks you love the hard part of growing old.
     
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  24. Highland Lofts

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    The direction the country is going I'm happy to be near the time to cash in my chips.
     
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    @DRAINSMITH

    It’s terrible that you’re having these health issues but it’s nice to know you’re doing better and happy to see you back and contributing to the discussions
     
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