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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by briansmithwins, Aug 27, 2015.

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  1. briansmithwins

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    Took some rifles and rock dust out to the range a couple weeks ago. We dusted a Mini-14, a AR15, Beretta ARX, FN SCAR, and a Arsenal SKR-107FR (AK47).

    Things did not turn out as you might expect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=synlZgnTnXg

    BSW
     
  2. Welding Rod

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    Cool - still watching, thanks for posting.

    It looks like there is some kind of tape on the right side of the Beretta receiver covering an opening?
     
  3. Welding Rod

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    Haha, great finale.

    Thanks for putting together. It would be awesome if you had a Tavor to put in the mix.
     
  4. briansmithwins

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    The tape was covering the serial number. It's a metal piece embedded in the receiver but there isn't an opening there.

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  5. taliv

    taliv Moderator Staff Member

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    funny

    wish you'd repeated the test with the ak a couple more times see if it does that every time
     
  6. jon86

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    Wow that's pretty interesting. Thanks for making and posting. Any experts care to speculate as to why the results turned out as they did?

    So if I have an AR, I don't necessarily need an AK? (Yes I still need an AK)

    I would have liked to see a single action go through the same test, like a mauser, mosin, or pump shotgun.
     
  7. briansmithwins

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    It takes about 30-45 minutes before I'm happy that a rifle is clean enough to be tested again. I really wanted to get the Mini done twice as there really isn't a consensus if it should be greased of oiled.

    I also want to do the AR again while keeping the dust covet shut while dusting.

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  8. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Thanks for doing the test and sharing the results. From a media consumer standpoint, that was about as interesting as watching paint dry. You should consider doing an abbreviated, ADD-friendly version with a link to the longer version for skeptics who question your methodology.
     
  9. Sheepdog1968

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    I skipped the video and hoped I could just read the results here.
     
  10. briansmithwins

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    The results are at 36:30.

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  11. Inebriated

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    Sand in the chamber will do it to anything. A cursory tap on the table would have likely knocked the loose stuff off.

    Hardly data, but interesting enough I guess.
     
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    I wonder if a G3 or similar design with fluted chambers would have the same results.
     
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    That was interesting. Question: how much of that got into your mouth?
     
  14. Vernon1

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    Life Is Not Always As It Seems

    Very objective. I enjoyed it a lot!


    The manufacturers of these firearms should be made to publish similar results from similar tests.
    Just like anything else that your life could depend on-like air bag sensors to name one. The profit margin for these firearms must be eye popping.
    Caveat emptor! (let the buyer beware). All objective data should be published. He with the most dependable firearm wins!

    Bravo for a great review! I wonder what Gaston Glock would say after seeing your video...


    :)

    Not nearly as reliable as we are led to believe....:)
     
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    Sand in the chamber will stop anything. Doesn't matter what it is.
     
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    Yes but, WILL IT BLIND?

    http://youtu.be/MC8Zvl-8ziA
     
  17. briansmithwins

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    Mouth, nose, not too much in my eyes.

    Once you decide to do it you might as well get elbows deep and just get it done.

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  18. Sheepdog1968

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    Thanks. For most things on YouTube I've got about a 5 minute attention span. Glad you did it. Would be curious how a pump action shotgun and a lever action rifle hold up to this test.
     
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    I wonder how an FS2000 would do...supposedly sealed up pretty well.
     
  20. Jeff White

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    I'm not surprised at all. The weapons with the actions that were the most open failed sooner then the ones with closed actions.

    I can tell you from personal experience it would have fired more. A couple of the "tells" I use to evaluate the training of armed people (soldiers, insurgents, law enforcement) is how dusty and dirty their weapons are and if they are carrying AR/M16 pattern weapons if the dust covers are open or closed.

    I think you've proven that if you pour enough dirt and grit into any weapon you can cause a stoppage. Not really earth shattering information, but it served to throw the cold water of reality on to some people who's only experience with military weapons is on the range and tend to believe all of the hype and things that they read about their favorite rifle.

    I enjoyed watching your video.
     
  21. M1key

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    Any of y'all ever been caught in a habob? That would make the video quite relevant I would think. Marine Corp son-in-law saw action in Fallujah. Sand was like talcum powder that turned to cement in the presence of oil. They ran their M4s bone dry for a reason.

    Interesting that the AR ran as well as it did and the AK didn't at all.

    M
     
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