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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by jfanzen, Mar 3, 2007.

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  1. jfanzen

    jfanzen Member

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    I purchased a brand new walther p22 three four days ago and i finally went to the range today. I would shoot the first round and then the second wouldnt load into the chamber???? why is that? is that common? I would pull the slide back then put that stuck bullet in the chamber and it would fire fine.. then after a couple more rounds i would shoot the first shot and the second shot wouldnt go into the chamber...? thats basically the only problem.. how can i correct this? or is this normal?? it seemed like the bullets needed lubrication so they wouldnt get stuck...my cz po1 fired like a champ times 3 :) i was dissapointed but man that little p22 was awesome too shoot.. i got bored i had soo many bullets...it was awesome practice.. any feedback would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance!!
     
  2. waynedm

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    I own one and it's been nothing but great. Go to www.rimfirecentral.com and look up the Walther section, there are a few threads about the things and stuff you can do to make them run better if you're having issues, yes, there are many pictures.
     
  3. .cheese.

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    OP - I have a P22 and yeah - it's not the best gun in the world I have to admit.

    It's fun when it works, but there are a lot of problems with it.

    First of all, it's VERY picky about ammo. Go get a couple different types of .22lr and try them out to see which loads best. I can't remember which ones would replicate what you are experiencing, but I can say I do remember it was happening. Nowadays I mainly use CCI mini-mag HPs and Stingers, as well as the Remington golden whatevers. Both work well.

    Federal bulk 550 packs are OK. It's hit or miss with them. I've had a box or two which worked well, and a box or two which had a ton of bad primers.

    Also the firing pin on the P22 is finicky. It seems to be positioned slightly off so that while it strikes the .22, I do get FTF's at least once out of every 30 rounds. Sometimes more like once every 10 or 20 depending upon what's going through it.

    A couple things you can try to fix your particular problem - get a steel brush and a polishing cloth and polish the feed-ramp. Also I've found that using Rem-Oil on the P22 works better than what I usually use - Break-Free CLP. The Remoil has Teflon, which helps with the P22, especially if you get some of it all over the slide rails, etc. Wipe it off with just a little left. Then put some grease on the barrel (I know most people don't like to do that), just a light film, and some grease in the slide rails. Just a drop or two each and then spread it by racking the slide back and forth maybe 20 times.

    Your P22 will get better as you break it in. It's a finicky little gun. A fun gun, though.

    You'll also probably be dissapointed with the accuracy. Mine is not very accurate. I'm looking to get a Ruger Mark III soon so I can have more .22lr fun with accuracy.

    Mainly I intend to keep the P22 to have for fun, and also to use to teach people how to use "real" guns as it mimicks most pistols.

    Work on the lubrication, polishing the feed-ramp, and ammo selection. If you still have a problem after that, PM me.
     
  4. mattw

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    For safety's sake you should never lube your bullets.
     
  5. AK103K

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    I wouldnt start polishing anything until I shot it awhile and tried some different ammo. Most .22's tend to like one brand or another, although my P22 doesnt seem to mind what I feed it.

    What spring are you using? You may want to swap them out and see if that helps. I'm using the one what came installed, and anything I put in seems to work fine.

    Did you clean and relube the gun before you shot it?
     
  6. waynedm

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    Unless you like taking it down to clean it after every session, I wouldn't suggest running oil on the slides on these things. The slide is zinc. The burnt powder mixes with the oil and makes one hell of an abrasive, that zinc wears very fast in those conditions.
     
  7. jfanzen

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    thanks fellas.. i thought i bought a defective gun.... and when i said it seemed like the bullets needed lubrication.. i was just using that as an example for people to better understand what my problem was... today i used federal and blazer..and i already lubed it up pretty well... soo tomorrow ill take it apart and clean it off real well..thanks soo much guys...and man... that little thing was awesome..my 13 year old brother was trying to hogg it... i ran out of bullets and still had tons left for the 22.. i honestly got bored at the range for the first time i had soooooooo many bullets.. and mine seemed pretty accurate.. real acurate i would say... thanks again you guys..!! seriously!o and yea i took it apart when i first brought it home lubed it up a little bit
     
  8. AK103K

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    I strip and clean mine after every outing, just like I do any of my pistols. The .22's always get cruddy and usually require a good cleaning to keep running right, at least every one I ever owned did. I've seen some people post that they never take them down and clean them, which I find hard to believe.

    I mostly use a light coat of grease on mine and so far, after more than a couple of thousand rounds at this point, I've seen no wear on the slide or any other parts.
     
  9. atblis

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    Hmmm

    No, just a P22.

    New guns can be a little quirky. Shoot it some. Give it a good cleaning, and then start worrying.
     
  10. chipp

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    p22

    I like my p-22. Had the same problem with somecheap ammo. No problem with cci stingers.



    PHP:
    Unless you like taking it down to clean it after every sessionI wouldn't suggest running oil on the slides on these things. The slide is zinc. The burnt powder mixes with the oil and makes one hell of an abrasive, that zinc wears very fast in those conditions.
    waynedm thanks for that advice.
     
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    JFanzen, One thing is the way the ammo is seated in the mags. IF you just load them, jams and fail-to-strips are common. I slap the back edge of the mag against my palm to make sure all of the rounds are seated at teh back of the mag, providing a bit of run-up to the ramp. This has reduced my FTS to one in fifty or less. As stated above, ammo is important. I'd imagine anything but bulk winchester would work. Am Eagle and Fed Champion are the ones I use, but Mini-mags would probably work nice and smooth. Grease is good on the barrel.
     
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    I think the problem your having is due to ammunition.

    Mine, and most others, loves CCI Minimags......I believe thats the ammunition the factory test fires the guns with as well. Try some of that before you give up on it.
     
  13. waynedm

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    Weird. I developed that habit with magazines years ago and I have no idea where it came from. I still do it to this day with every gun I shoot, it's a habit I can't break. Maybe it's an okay thing. Nice to know I'm not the only one slapping my mags.
     
  14. crebralfix

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    Sell it and get a Ruger MK 2 or 3.

    I have had many 22 LR guns, including conversion kits for the Glock and 1911. The Ruger is by far more reliable with a wide variety of ammunition.

    If that's not an option, then go to the store and buy 100 rounds of every type they have in stock. Shoot them all and TAKE GOOD NOTES. Record the type of failure, if any. At some point, you'll have a pretty good idea of what works and what is inconsistent.

    Also remember a failure to fire is usually a problem with the rimfire ammunition, if your gun is stock. Even with the Ruger, I had two duds today with Remington Golden Bullets.
     
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    The .22LR cartridge comes in varying grades of quality. I had the same problems with my .22 semi-auto, namely a Beretta. Use high-velocity loads and make sure the slide is thoroughly lubricated...
    Good luck...
     
  16. gazpacho

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    Don't use that little button on the side to pull the follower down when you load the magazine. Press down from the top with the cartridge. It's actually a semi-staggered magazine, and if you pull the follower down, you can get some miss staggered ammo, causing significantly more upward pressure against the moving slide. This can cause misfeeds. Sounds stupid, but try it.

    Also, get a can of Gun Scrubber (synthetic/rubber safe version) and hose the crap out of your gun. Then lightly lubricate with RemOil with Teflon. Just a bare minimum little. This gun doesn't need much.
     
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    Check the manual and make certain the Barrel is tight, not rotating.

    Geoff
    Who hasn' had a problem with CCi Mini-Mags and Remington Stingers.
    :D
     
  18. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    Man, I don't understand where all this hate towards the P22 is coming from. I've got one and have had about 3 FTEs ever, and not a single other problem.

    I think you probably did just get a defect, not "you just got a P22". Not all P22s are junk, I know mine sure isn't.
     
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    I have a P22 as well - I love it - no problems.

    The mag is not a true double stack. When you load the mag, tap it in the palm of your hand prior to seating it. It tells you that in the booklet.

    Use Remington gold bullets in the 550 round box. They seem to work the best for me. Once you has shot 2500 rounds it will be broke in, should improve the performance.

    I really emjoy shooting it, very accurate.
     
  20. .cheese.

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    to whomever said not to use oil on the slide rails:

    yes - I do strip it every time I shoot it just like I do any gun. It gets fully brushed cleaned and lubed every time. With many guns it's not necessary, but unfortunately with my P22 it seems to be the only way to enjoy it at the range with as few problems as possible.

    The P22 needs to be lubed and the feed-ramp nice and smooth for it to function well. At least mine does.

    btw - mine has had about 2000 rounds through it. Maybe wait until you get to 500 rounds before you decide whether yours needs as much care as mine. Like somebody said, new guns can cause trouble until they're broken in.
     
  21. twinhairdryers

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    Crap gun

    These are crap guns. Sell it as soon as you can get it to run at least through one mag with cherry picked ammo. There are nothing but problem reports out there on this design.

    Get a Ruger, or Buckmark, or Sig Trailside if you want a good accurate 22lr autoloader. You could get a new or lightly used one of these for the same price as that Walther. They made a mistake on that one.
     
  22. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    Nothing but problem reports?
     
  23. jfanzen

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    i totally love this gun.. the looks are awesome.. that what made me buy it.. i didnt do that much research on it.. but yea im going to break it in and all and ill keep it. its sooooooooo accurate! and i tap the mag on my palm for every single gun i shoot.. thats what i was thought and its a good habit.. Thanks to all of you helpful members that helped me out. have a great one fellas
     
  24. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    good move jfanzen. Make up your own mind. None of the fans or naysayers are going to be firing your guns. How satisfied YOU are with them is all that matters.
     
  25. waynedm

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    At least it's not a Mosquito. :barf:
     
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