disappointment with the quality of CZ Duty.

[el Godfather]

Dear THR,
I had recently bought 6 CZ Duty pistols. I got an amazing deal so I picked up the batch. I gifted 5 to my friends/family and kept one for myself. I am absolutely disappoinment with the quality of this pistol. The rear sight got knocked out of place and magazine keeps dropping out when in holster.

What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks

 

[TennJed]

What kind of deal is good enough that you would buy 6 guns that you are unfamiliar with their quality?

Were they new or used? Have you spoken to the owners of the other 5 to see how they feel? I have never shot one, but they have a good reputation and this thread interest me because it has moved up to next on my list to buy.

 

[ifit]

the only i time i would buy 6 guns in "general" is first would ask the same questions tennjed had mentioned. i had one of the very early 1st gens. that came out, ran great other than the white paint on the front sight had came off, no problem for me, and alos the frame bulge, which honestly never bothered me cause it still ran good. when you mentioned magazine keeps dropping out in holster....maybe a holster your using is not made for the cz then maybe being to tight hits the mag release? have you loaded the magazine out of the holster/fired it and see what happens? all these should have been done before purchasing a firearm in general

 

[JohnBT]

"What are your thoughts on this?"

Not enough details. What holster? What knocked the rear sight out of place? What year was the gun made? It's on the gun; at least mine is marked 96. Look behind the extractor/ejection port.

 

[beatledog7]

The wrong holster can easily press the mag release when the firearm is inserted, especially if the spring has weakened over time.

Sounds like you might be referring to a deal on police turn-ins, perhaps from Robertson's? If so, these guns are probably 20+ years old with lots of holster miles on them.

 

[ku4hx]

My first thought would be to see if they were stolen. "Trust no one."

 

[armoredman]

beatledog, if they are P-07 Duty pistols, they are 3 years old at most, and not turn ins.
el Godfather, Monday morning call 1-800-955-4486 and ask about warrantee work. CZ-USA will make the sidearm right. Did you buy all six new, and equally importantly, did the recipients of the other 5 report any malfunctions or issues?
Some older Duty pistols had minor issues, so contact CZ-USA directly, 1-800-955-4486.

 

[Tommygunn]

I recently bought a P-07. It works very well and I have had no problems like the OP mentioned at all.
I understand some early ones did and perhaps these half dozen were from that point in time.....CZ has corrected the problems.
Sorry to hear of your problems.

 

[Cactus Jack Arizona]

I used to have an early P-07 and really liked it, until I shot it. I thought it was a really good gun, but it just didn't feel comfortable when I shot it so I traded it for another CZ and never looked back.

 

[PabloJ]

To add insult to injury those look pathetically ugly to me.

 

[bdb benzino]

1. Your holster is pushing the mag release, cut a small notch so it does'nt do this.

2. This sucks about the sight, but is easily fixed. I would not even send it in for that, I would have a local smith push it back.

Does'nt seem too bad to be "absolutely in disapointment of the quality". Hope it works out for you. I have heard mostly good things about them, although it always sucks to have a new gun with problems!

 

[el Godfather]

The guns came from dealer at dealer price which was VERY low.

Holster problem I understand that may be affecting the magazine release, but poor rear sight is just sub standard.

When you buy CZ porducts you don't need someone's word on their quality. CZ has been around long enough that its name speaks for itself.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

But every company is able to produce a lemon here or there. Not that'd I'd call them lemons over that, but you know the deal.

 

[beatledog7]

...if they are P-07 Duty pistols, they are 3 years old at most, and not turn ins.

Many CZs could serve and have served as duty pistols. The OP never specified what model.

But in any case, I agree the issues he's had with the guns are minor and easily set right.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

Many CZs could serve and have served as duty pistols. The OP never specified what model.

The original poster mentioned CZ "Duty" pistols. If he meant service pistols, he shouldn't have "CAPITALIZED" the "D" -- which accounts for the possible confusion. The DUTY is the P-07. (I'm skeptical of any claims about a supply of CZ Duty pistols being offered at a low price; they're simply too new. I suspect he meant "duty" not "Duty.")

On the other hand, not THAT MANY CZs have served as duty pistols. CZ's marketing hype is one thing, reality is another. CZs are widely used around the world, but never in large numbers. ("Widely used" is not the same as "used by many places in large numbers.") In the past few years a number of small military units have begun adopting them... but the numbers in service are still apparently quite small. (There are probably more Beretta M-9 in service in the U.S. Army than CZs in military or police service everywhere else in the world.)

In many years of tracking CZs on the web and in these discussions, I've yet to hear of any place in the U.S. using CZs as duty weapons, so if the OP is in the US, these are probably imports from overseas. We've seen some, in recent, years come on the market from Europe, imported into the U.S. These were mostly well-used 75s (not 75Bs).

If they're CZ-75Bs, I don't know where they came from. If they're CZ-75s (not "B"s) they've likely got a lot of miles on them! (The Israelis and several South African police forces used them, among others.) The finishes won't be pretty, either, as it'll be enamel or an early version of the polycoat finish. Those finishes weren't particularly durable.

The OP bought pigs in a poke and at least one of them seems a problem for him. The same could have happened with almost any brand.

Re: rear sight getting knocked out of place. That also suggests a pre-B model, as almost every 75B or later CZ I've owned has almost requjired a jack hammer to get the sight loose. Move it back, and use a nail set to PEEN the sight and slide to keep it in place. A single blow is all that's needed.

As for mags dropping loose? Could be bad mag release spring, worn mag release, bad holster, BAD MAGAZINES... Or, as suggested, a holster not designed for the gun.

 

[jmr40]

In my experience you are getting typical CZ quality. I've owned a few, as has my brother. I've found that they typically offer above average accuracy, but are far below average in reliability and build quality. This, among other reasons is why you seldom see them used in police and military applications. They are quite popular among the guys who play range games because of their accuracy. Relibility is less of an issue when the targets don't shoot back.

 

[Kiln]

In my experience you are getting typical CZ quality. I've owned a few, as has my brother. I've found that they typically offer above average accuracy, but are far below average in reliability and build quality. This, among other reasons is why you seldom see them used in police and military applications. They are quite popular among the guys who play range games because of their accuracy. Relibility is less of an issue when the targets don't shoot back.

I'm surprised with your experience. I normally hear nothing but good about CZ firearms. My CZ75B has ran 100% so far.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

This, among other reasons is why you seldom see them used in police and military applications. They are quite popular among the guys who play range games because of their accuracy. Relibility is less of an issue when the targets don't shoot back.

I call BS on this set of claims.

First, can you cite a couple of instances of where CZ even competed with another gunmaker for a government contract in the U.S.?

And, as far as I can tell, most gun contracts are decided by the bean counters with only limited input from people who know guns.

Have you shot competitively or spent much time around the gun games? A lack of reliability is as unacceptable in the competition venues as it is elsewhere. For many of the shooters, an unreliable gun means lost income; for others its embarrassing. It is NOT tolerated.

The main reason you don't see CZs in police or military usage is that CZ (especially CZ-USA) doesn't have the deep pockets that SIG, Glock and S&W have when it comes to seeking out big contracts. (CZ-BRNO started over pretty much from scratch after the fall of the Communist Bloc, and had to do it with only limited financial support. In a number of police department purchases here in NC, SIG or Glock or S&W came in and offered really sweetheart deals to the state and local agencies, took their existing weapons, and offered new ones that means only limited outlay on the part of the agencies. That's not unusual.

From a marketing perspective, that's called "buying market share," and offering "loss leaders." CZ-USA and CZ-BRNO simply don't have the financial wherewithal to play those games and can't really compete, yet, with those big guys.

If you can offer some evidence to back up your statements, above, I'll stand corrected.

I have had CZs, SIGs, Glocks, Berettas, BHPs, and a variety of other guns. I've generally had the same level of reliability out of all of them. Most of the problems I've had to do with ANY of these guns have been magazine related issues -- and that has been across the board.

 

[marine 97-03]

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In my experience you are getting typical CZ quality. I've owned a few, as has my brother. I've found that they typically offer above average accuracy, but are far below average in reliability and build quality. This, among other reasons is why you seldom see them used in police and military applications. They are quite popular among the guys who play range games because of their accuracy. Relibility is less of an issue when the targets don't shoot back.

Maybe you didn't know the CZ 75 is one of the most widely used police & military guns in the world

 

[m39nut]

I have seen CZ more in Eastern Europe police departments than here, especially Turkey. I think that US police do not use them in large numbers has to do more with timing. They came on the US market too late for the conversions from the revolvers and now most departments have swung towards striker fired polymer pistols. Even Sig is slowly losing market share. With that being said there are still several individual officers that carry a CZ as an off duty weapon or even a a primary if they have to supply their own.

 

[m2steven]

My P07 Duty is a fantastic pistol with a superb trigger. Most people who got early ones had problems with the mags not dropping freely when the release was depressed. I've never had any problems with my mag release. I'm not saying you don't, but for you to get 5 or 6 lemons in a 'bundle' is very suspicious. These are nice pistols.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

Maybe you didn't know the CZ 75 is one of the most widely used police & military guns in the world

Another claim that needs correcting. You'll be hard pressed to find any facts to support that claim, which comes directly from the CZ marketing department.

Widely-used by police? Maybe, but used in a bunch of different small departments around the world. Geographical distribution is not the same as most guns in use. I suspect there are more S&W and Glocks in use in the US by police departments than you'll find in all of the CZ-using police departments around the world.

Widely-used by military units? Hmmm. As I've noted elsewhere, there are probably more Beretta M9 in use by the US Department of Defense than CZ has in place in all of the police departments and military units, everywhere in the world.

Widely-used doesn't mean most-used.

CZs are good guns. So are a number of other guns.

For some reason, folks like to slam some brands. Glocks get slammed. CZs get slammed. Both have their supporters. I have both types (and other brands, too). I like both (and the other brands, too).

 

[el Godfather]

I may have incidently bought a lemon. Howvere, it is very disappointing.

 

[marine 97-03]

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[Walt Sherrill]

Marine 97-03:

How many guns do you think those examples come to, in total?

The US Department of Defense contracted to buy 450,000 M9s from Beretta in 2009. Bet the numbers associated with your citation, above, doesn't come to a fraction of THAT total.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7s2ioXNRag

How many Glocks do you think are used in Europe.

Turkish police and military units are switching over to turkish made CZ and Tanfoglio clones.

CZs are great guns. They're starting to be accepted, as they should be. But, until they build them in the US, they're not going to sell many to government units, here.