discrimination at the gun store/show?

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my beretta px4 9mm says "gardone, v.t. - made in italy" you can send your $100 to my p.o. box. i can post a picture of it if you require proof. i never said that no berettas were made in the US. especially the 92/96/m9.

i don't see how making someone wait two seconds between shots keeps you from getting shot. i shoot regularly at the dfw indoor shooting range where they have no policy on rapid fire. i'm pretty sure no one has been shot there.

"Has anyone that lives in the metroplex, other than yourself, ever seen these?

Anyone here?

I don't think anyone has. I don't think they exist."

like i said if you haven't seen them, then they must not exist:banghead:
 
jim, you must be one of those people that doesn't listen, but just waits to talk aren't you? or you failed the reading comp. portion of the SAT.

i've clearly said MANY times, i'm not calling gun owners racist. i would never generalize an entire group of people like that. although YOUR(not every gun owner's in america) level of defensiveness even after several tries of getting you to understand this fact leads me to believe that YOU(NOT EVERY GUN OWNER IN AMERICA) have some underlying animosity towards people "pulling the race card".
 
i don't see how making someone wait two seconds between shots keeps you from getting shot.
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Slow fire regulations are the norm at most firing ranges in the metroplex.

Think about it for a second, you should figure out why.

ke i said if you haven't seen them, then they must not exist
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I'll ask the general community at large again.. Has anyone here seen pictures of hanged african americans being sold for $15 at gunshows in the D/FW metroplex?

Anyone but againstthagrane?
 
I'm calling BS on you right now. I have never seen such a thing sold at a gunshow in the D/FW metroplex."

well if YOU haven't seen it, then it must not be true. i didn't realize we had omniscient members on this board. while i have your ear, what is the meaning of life? btw, they had them at the gun show at will rogers about a month ago. believe it or not...
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I've been to dozens of gunshows in the MS and LA area over the last 25 years. I can honestly say that I've never see anything like that.


-- John
 
I'll ask the general community at large again.. Has anyone here seen pictures of hanged african americans being sold for $15 at gunshows in the D/FW metroplex?

Anyone but againstthagrane?
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Only in history books have I seen this sort of crap. No gun show would allow overt racism on display.

Please shut this thread down.

jj
 
I live here in the great "liberal northeast"and have experienced racism at the range and gunstore....not pertaining to me(middle aged white guy)but to a good buddy,one poor kid looking to buy a magazine and a whole race of Middle Easterners.....
1)while in a gunshop w/ a friend who's black...I got all the attention,and he was ignored..I had no money to spend...he makes more than me,and was ready to buy a new Beretta
2)some black kid goes into the same store and gets the brush off of"we don't sell Glock magazines(which is crap)
3)while shooting at a local range,some yahoo askes if he can shoot w/ us at the combat range...I say sure.....after his 1st couple of shots to a silloette he says"well Habib is dead..."this guys doesn't know mne from adam,maybe my wife is middle eastern,some of my friends are for sure.then after his next shots he says"Tyrone is dead..." we packed up our crap and left......
I'm not saying gun people are racist.....people in general are.
I judge people on an individual basis,if you're an a-hole I don't care where you come from,or what color you are...;)
 
next time i see one i'll take a picture of it. a picture of the stand its being sold at and post it right here for you to see :)
 
tony you're obviously a liar, no one else here has ever experienced that, therefore you are a liar.;).

after all, if a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, did it really fall? of course not. :neener:
 
Again, the men and women who fought for your right to own a gun and shoot at the shop had no racial qualifiers in the fight.

jj
 
I do understand why the shop didn't want your business. I doubt it had anything to do with color

jj
 
'There is a gunshow going on right now at the Dallas Markethall.

Go get one.'

yeah, let me get right on that. haha. i'll just spend my sunday at the gun show when i just bought a new rifle yesterday (me=broke) just to appease some hard headed guy on an online forum. can i pick you up some spare magazines or bulk ammo while i'm there? would you like some beef jerky or some airbrushed t-shirts? i'm at your beck and call. :rolleyes:
 
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yeah, let me get right on that. haha. i'll just spend my sunday at the gun show when i just bought a new rifle yesterday (me=broke) just to appease some hard headed guy on an online forum. can i pick you up some spare magazines or bulk ammo while i'm there? would you like some beef jerky or some airbrushed t-shirts? i'm at your beck and call.
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You made a claim. A claim that strikes at the character of the members here by suggesting they would allow blatant racism to pass. You can't, and won't support that claim, thus failing a basic tennet of civilized discourse.

I reccomend a moderator close your account.
 
"next time i see one i'll take a picture of it. a picture of the stand its being sold at and post it right here for you to see "
Most of the gun shows I attend don't allow cameras. I have never seen such tripe at a gun show and I know WAC would not allow such to be sold at theirs.

BTW- I was delighted that one of the new shooters at my employer's gun club is African-American. If we wish to keep our rights they can't be just for WASPs.
 
I find jerks everywhere, especially at gun shows. But, I'm lilly white so I guess I have no where to hide and can't call it discrimination, can I?
 
Before this locks, I did want to make one point...

I think we are all certain of one thing:


Both Racism and Prejudice DO exist.

I've seen racism exhibited by White Persons, Black Persons, Asian Persons, Jewish Persons, Arab Persons, ... you name it.

I've seen Prejudice exhibited liberally on the basis of religion, gender, sexual orientation, and geographic origin.

So there it is. No one gets to have a monopoly on either of those concepts.

I've no doubt you've experienced racism/prejudice from the sources you've cited. I've experienced it when I was working in the WTC due to my Southern origin.


I'm not sure exactly what we can accomplish by pointing out these things specific to the gun industry. You get them everywhere-- and from different perspectives.

Until we heal the rest of society-- regardless of the originating perspective, we have no use in highlighting ONE industry.


-- John
 
First, the level of civility in this thread has definitely plummeted from the High Road.

The OP asked had anyone seen evidence of racism at gunshows and gunstores. He didn't say "Gun owners are racist". He didn't say "Are gun owners racist". He basically asked "are some gun owners racist?"

Well since gun owners are 100% human and a given percentage of humans bear racist sentiments, it would be true to say that some gun owners are racist. This extends I'm sure to some gun sellers.

He's been jumped on from the start, but not many have answered the question.

I have, as I have seen evidence of SOME gun owners and sellers overt racism. No one is saying all gun owners are racist. But to say that no gun owners are racist is quite frankly the definition of denial.
 
I've seen ONE table that was downright just offensive, at one gun show. And I went and bitched at the promoter. They were selling pretty much nothing but klucker and nazi crap. Haven't seen 'em again.

Kluckers and nazis like guns. But they are NOT the gun culture. In fact, most of us wish we could make them go away...

Oh yeah, that show was in Illinois...

I know a lot of dealers get a bit jaded... One place that used to be in the city would have folks come in and try to just buy a magazine full or cylinder full of ammo... That's all they needed...

I -have- seen a few shows where folks will have something like the Tuner Diaries on the table - Invariably, these are folks who think that "this is what gun people read," and they don't really know that much about us... What the hey, I ain't shy... I'll give 'em a piece of mind anyway. But I don't get many opportunities.

Can you break the stereotype?
 
Wow, from the way the OP has reacted to any criticism or possible doubt toward his allegations, I'm going to go ahead and say that it's him, and not the gun store employees.

Ever notice how all the folks on the internet know so much about guns, but gun store employees and owners are all dolts who don't want your business?

I've seen those lynching postcards at flea markets. They are a part of history, like it or not. But anyone who showed up at a gun show with that stuff would get kicked out in a hurry!
 
"You made a claim. A claim that strikes at the character of the members here by suggesting they would allow blatant racism to pass. You can't, and won't support that claim, thus failing a basic tennet of civilized discourse.

I reccomend a moderator close your account."

the word you're looking for is "tenant".

so because i wouldn't drop what i'm doing to appease you, you recommend a mod. close my account. so you're choosing to censor me. good thing you're not in politics. if everyone thought like you we'd have our own version of the taliban in america.

the word is "tenant".

even if you are not racist, you're definitely a fascist to try to shut down a thread that was merely asking if anyone had these experiences. if you can't handle dealing with reading material that offends you, you should exercise your right to click the little "x" in the corner of your browser.
 
rantingredneck,

Good observations. And you have indeed answered his question. I do agree that there has been a bit more hostility than I feel is warranted.

At the same time I do believe that the question is fairly useless-- especially the way you restated it.

Given what we know about society, and human nature, its like asking

Hey, are some humans left-handed?

When you look at a broad spectrum of any group, you will likely find examples of a particular trait. Why should the gun industry be any different than ANY industry? The question becomes self-answering.

And to answer my own question... there must be a few left-handed people. I'm one of them. (but I shoot right-handed) :)



-- John
 
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I shoot guns right handed and pool left handed. I'm just weird. :D.

Yes, I agree, the question fairly answers itself given a bit of thought.

Even so, the attacks are a bit unwarranted. Simple enough to say, as you have, that it is what it is and that it permeates society beyond the world of guns.
 
J, you're just sinister... I was ambi until the penguins got 'hold of me. Got whacked a bunch.

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Spelling helps.
 
even if you are not racist, you're definitely a fascist to try to shut down a thread that was merely asking if anyone had these experiences. if you can't handle dealing with reading material that offends you, you should exercise your right to click the little "x" in the corner of your browser.
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Wow, you seriously just made a swipe at him as a racist and a fascist for asking that a thread like this is closed.

Perhaps a self-examination is in order? I've met jerks too, but just because Bass Pro won't order me a black plastic megablaster doesn't mean that they're racist.

Actually, however, it's "tenet".
 
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