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discrimination at the gun store/show?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by againstthagrane, Apr 13, 2008.

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  1. akodo

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    Okay, we have all met jerk customer service, especially at the big stores. The brass pro guy was probably just lazy and thought you were a lookie loo.

    now, take a look at that statement about guns

    #1 buy American! That isn't racist, that is something I'll tell anyone.

    #2 Italians are generally considered white. Berettas are yesterday's news. Scratch that, they are 1980s news. The 92F was a market breakthrough, but they have been playing catchup ever since then

    #3 Okay, "white" handgun makers...humm, who would a gunshop push besides USA? Glock and HK! Austria and Germany! Mostly white yes, but people push those guns because they are good, or because fanboys love them. I don't see any racism there.

    Test it out by asking about the FN 5-7 or the FNP, or ask them about the tokerov or similar russian stuff.

    I mean, if they badmouth taurus it is because taurus is crap, same with rossi, etc etc.

    Do they badmouth the specialty shotguns made in japan?
     
  2. plexreticle

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    Agreed, I'm glad we could discuss it. :)
     
  3. Dookie

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    I live in the inland northwest, when they took the census it turns out the area is about 95% white. We are the epitome of the "I have a black friend joke". In the 4 or five gun shops I go to I have not seen any racism. When I was in one of the local class 3 dealers in walk 3 Mexicans, I assume they were Mexican, accent, look, pigment, clothing, but I could be mistaken, dressed in baggy clothes, sideways hats, and all had CCW. Talk about being able to easily conceal. all had license for suppressors and were obviously good friends with the owner.
    In the area I live in, the racism is not generally toward people who are not white, it is directed toward Russians, and the satellite nationalities.
    I have not seen any of the lynching pics at gun shows, but there is quite a bit of Nazi collectibles. Guns, knives, ect. But I consider that as history and not necessarily racist.
    Across the border they have a yearly white pride parade, the remnant of a white supremacy compound, it gets fewer and fewer participants every year, AND all the businesses close for the duration of the parade. The only reason they allow them to march is because of freedom of speech and something about it being unfair to not allow them to march when they allow others.
    I have even cut off ties with some friends I had for years because of their views. especially considering my best friend is black, AND lives in Texas, talk about pissing me off. Now she has told me some horror stories about how she was treated, and she is a very clean cut, high standard woman.
    Most of white America has absolutely no idea what people from other nationalities deal with, I know I don't. It is an unfortunate fact of life that is slowly getting weeded out, to slowly I might add.
    I honestly believe that most gun owner, not just people who own guns, but people who are believers in all the amendments and are fighting for personal rights are the least bigoted group out there. I have seen advertisements that are directed at other races to get them into firearms, not just for money, but for the reason that it helps dispel myths about race. To me they are saying, look, this guy who is black carries a concealed weapon, he in not a gang banger, he is an upstanding citizen.

    I am going to stop typing because it is 1:40 and have a cranking headache, and am getting long winded. Is long winded the correct terminology when typing?
     
  4. qajaq59

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    You don't have to be a minority to run into idiotic, nasty or bad mannered store clerks. Whether you're are in a gun store or a shoe store. And it has nothing to do with their being prejudice. Some people are just badly brought up and/or dumb.
     
  5. ImARugerFan

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    That's silly talk. If they deal with HK in general they can/will order you any gun they sell. It's not the guy behind the counter's job to decide whether or not to sell a particular model.
     
  6. PaStEuRiZeD

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    Crap happens. There are racists everywhere I figure you would know that by now.

    I hate when people ask to have a thread shut down. "it is just not very high road" . America is free speech. High road is pro freedom. Do the math and get over yourself. Let others have their freedoms.
     
  7. Ltlabner

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    Some clerks at gun-stores are racists.

    Some clerks at gun-stores are jerks.

    Some clerks at gun-stores are both.

    Because someone is a jerk doesn't mean they are a racist. Because they are a racist doesn't necessarly mean they will treat you like a jerk.

    And some folks simply can't help themselves and display their tallent of being both a racist and a jerk at the same time.

    And many clerks at gun-stores are friendly, helpfull people that love to talk all-things gun if you show them respect and don't act like a racist or jerk yourself.
     
  8. ByAnyMeans

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    to many variables

    I haver seen racism, sexism, classism and ageism at gunshops and shows as well as many other places done by many different types of people. I know it was done based on these things due to the explanation given when the peron leaves or is no longer present. Such as "woman can't handle that gun ; Your two old to learn these new guns stick to your revolver". I however cannot say I have ever had it done to me and that's because if they don't explicitly state why they are treating you as they are then you really don't know if it's due to any of the "isms" we have created. Live your life and don 't look to explain anothers behaviour because it will lead you down a pointless road.
     
  9. nothinspecial

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    Some people are simply said; Too Sensitive.

    There is racism towards every race by every race. It will never stop. So deal with it. I'm not whining b/c I had to wait 25minutes for an order in a black owned and operated resturant, when 3 black people who came in behind me got thier order in less time. It was obvious racism, but boofreakinhoo. Life's not always fair. boohoo
     
  10. paramedic70002

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    OK I'm white. I have no problems with blacks that I know, just like I have no problem with whites I know. Strangers are NOT OK. But I am not in retail, where the rules change. If I were selling guns, I might seem a little uptight if a banger came into my shop. And I have to confess having a little more worry over the average man of color than the average white. This may be a result of conditioning in my youth (my parents were a little racist, you know how it was more acceptable 30-40 years ago) or it may be due to stats and news reports that show greater street level crime among minorities.

    Several months ago I stopped for gas and noticed another customer at the pump with an open carry pistol. Young black kid, dressed hip hop, with a few friends. Did I startle? Yep. But after about 3 seconds I put myself in check. I subconsciously went with the stereotype until higher reasoning kicked in. What does that say about me? Am I a racist in denial/recovery?

    I can believe 100% that there is at least one racist gun dealer out there. Been there and seen it. And can't deny the assertation that racially motivated people are one of the sub groups attracted to guns.

    Find it hard to believe that gun owners would discriminate against fellow gun owners based on race? Remember back in the 60s when Christian whites were lynching, burning and bombing Christian blacks in and out of Christian churches?
     
  11. MarcusWendt

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    I'll admit that I've both seen it and been guilty of it. Where I buy guns and shoot at their range, there are a lot of people who dress and look like gang members. I'll admit I don't like it and I know the owner doesn't either, but I will say neither I nor any of his employees has ever treated these people badly, but we've all wondered if the gun being sol to them would end up being used in a crime.
     
  12. buck00

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    Its these darn people in small towns! They cling to their gun shops, religion, and whacky ideas!! ;)
     
  13. 2nd 41

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    If you do not like the salesperson move on. That's my policy on any item I buy. Guns, cars, clothes, toothpicks....anything.
     
  14. Snipe315

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    I'm a black man originally from NYC. I've travelled across this country 4 times and around the world 3 courtesy the USMC.

    I've seen the best and worst mankind has to offer in almost every place. I've felt the sting of racism in the USA and abroad. It hasn't been isolated to one particular group, race, religion, or country.

    I've met outstanding men from many nations including Japan, Korea, France, German, the UK, and several countries in Africa. Many view and judge people based on their actions, not their skin color... And some don't.

    I usually receive far treatement in firearm establishments. A lot of that is because of my bearing and the way I present myself. When at a range, if I didn't get respect prior to shooting, I definitely earn it by the time I'm done (I can hit the broad side of a barn). :cool:

    There are exceptions to every rule. A long time ago, I had someone with several Accuracy International rifles and AICS stocked Remington 700s tell me that the Stage 2.0 version was meant to make it concealable (DUH! :fire:) when I asked to check one out. I also remember getting the feeling I was taking up valuable space from the @#$%! at B&B guns in OC California.

    But I've also received amazingly great service from several shops and ranges in Georgia.

    There are idiots and fools in every group. But I've found that people can be very respectful, especially when you've got a firearm on you. :evil:
     
  15. againstthagrane

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    "#2 Italians are generally considered white. Berettas are yesterday's news. Scratch that, they are 1980s news. The 92F was a market breakthrough, but they have been playing catchup ever since then"

    that's like...your opinion, man:neener:

    on a more serious note, i cannot stand when people refuse to accept the presence of a problem because "its way worse in X country". "oh you think health care is bad in america? try going to X." "oh you think dating fat girl is bad? try dating a guy..." and so on...just because someone else has it worse doesn't mean that a problem doesn't exist. we only get one chance at life why wouldn't you want the best for yourself and your country. if anything me caring about racism means i love america more than the people who blindly go through life ignoring it or pointing out how much worse it is in other areas.
     
  16. CBS220

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    Everyone cares about the problems in their country.

    But that's no excuse to go seeing racism where it isn't.
     
  17. againstthagrane

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    how would you know if it was there or not, cbs? were you at the gun store? did you see the interaction that took place? did you see how others were treated and then compare it to my treatment?

    no frame of reference.
     
  18. Don Lu

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    againstthagrane...I personally have seen racism and expirienced it at gunshows (plural) and gun shops (plural). I chimed in earlier to give my expiriences. I think its getting to the point now where you have to realize you are only doing one of two things: preaching to the choir with people who have seen the racism that you asked about or two,Talking to a brick wall w/people who refuse to acknowledge that it may exist.

    I know for myself. I have lived in the same community for 5 yrs now..drove up and down the street and never noticed the car that was driven by on of my neighbors until I got the same car...now I notice it in my neighborhood and am more likey to take notice of a Cadillac CTS just about anywhere now that my antena is up. thats just human nature...point is, people are more likely to notice things they have a rerason to notice (how many of us scream out the name of a gun on the movies we watch and the person who isnt a gunnut has no idea what you are talking about...be honest..lol). The same "gangbanger" looking kid that makes some people in this thread nervous or uncomfortable will not make me uncomfortable in the least as long as what they are doin isnt making me nervous, but that goes for anyone regardless of how you look or dress.

    very much of topic for my reply, but I have found this assertation to be true

    In fairness this is for all races radical/ extreme ..be it, KKK, old black panthers, Islamic extremist ect, ...its seems that exremist loves thier guns..
     
  19. Brenainn

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    Try being a 21 year old female, about 4' 11'' 100lbs. who looks about 17 y/o!

    I get it all the time. They typically don't give me the time of day because they assume I couldn't afford anything or legally buy it, so therefore, I would be a waste of time. Grrrr...
     
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  20. againstthagrane

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    "(how many of us scream out the name of a gun on the movies we watch and the person who isnt a gunnut has no idea what you are talking about...be honest..lol)."

    i have not done that...today.
     
  21. Downr@nge

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    Just so you guys know, there is a firearms store named "Zues Guns & Ammo" in Cardiff, NJ. The guys there are great and definitely NOT racist. In fact, they are quite nice! I went in there and asked about a HK gun and he then went on to give me a mini class on semi autos and how to operate a handgun properly. This went on for about 30 minutes. An because the clerk (kevin) was so helpful, I'll do ALL my business with him.
     
  22. mbs357

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    Been the victim of racism plenty of times in this area (I'm in the minority), but as far as in stores, not so much. Mostly in school with the jerkfaces, but those days are passed.
     
  23. lonegunman

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    I too live in the inland northwest. While the area is 95% caucasian, it really is not racist at all. If you can act ina normal manner you get treated pretty well at nearly every gunstore in town no matter what color your skin happens to be.

    If you act like an idiot, out of work gangsta, neo-nazi wanna be or just a general PITA, you will be suprised how cold the room can be. I'm a big fan of including every interested person in the sport. The more people lawfully enjoying firearms, the better off we all are.

    I have a buddy in Georgia. He was telling me the other day about an arabic looking guy walking onto the gunstore/range 15 minutes before closing. The guy asked if he "HAD" to fill out paperwork for a gun. The owner replied, "YES". He then asked about buying a couple of Glocks and maybe a sniper rifle. When the owner refused to show him any guns without ID, the guy got mad and stomped off.

    Would you call the gun store racist or the customer a bit odd?
     
  24. Don Lu

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    im not sure what it was...but I've never been asked to show id to view or handle a gun in a gunshop or gunshow...THAT is what I would feel strange about...unless that's the common thing at that store...BUT I've been to many shops and shows....never been asked for ID.
     
  25. againstthagrane

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    "I have a buddy in Georgia. He was telling me the other day about an arabic looking guy walking onto the gunstore/range 15 minutes before closing. The guy asked if he "HAD" to fill out paperwork for a gun. The owner replied, "YES". He then asked about buying a couple of Glocks and maybe a sniper rifle. When the owner refused to show him any guns without ID, the guy got mad and stomped off."

    honestly, yeah, i think that was racial profiling. if he wanted to BUY them and wouldn't show ID then i would have no problem showing him the door. unless he looked like he was under 18 i don't see why they wouldn't show him the gun. i have a feeling people looking to commit acts of terrorism could obtain guns without going to the neighborhood gun shop.
    BUT, i don't see why the guy just wouldn't show the owner any ID, that's a little shady and worthy of some further investigation.
     
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