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In detroit michigan, if the cops pull you over and THINK the girl you met last week in college and are giving a ride home to is a HOOKER of any kind, they can legally seize the motor vehicle and sell it at auction and you cant do a thing to.

Um, no they can't. It's called due process, and although the system might be broken in Mo-Town, you'd at least get your say.
 
In detroit michigan, if the cops pull you over and THINK the girl you met last week in college and are giving a ride home to is a HOOKER of any kind, they can legally seize the motor vehicle and sell it at auction and you cant do a thing to.

At least until some guy decides to start a really nasty suit that goes beyond the locals, AND the girl sues for defamation. After all, they are effectively calling her a whore.
 
The City of Birmingham has a policy of not returning recovered guns regardless of the circumstances

I imagine that a gun reported as stolen would be returned to the rightful owner. What I'm hearing is that evidence guns are not sold by the department and therefore destroyed after their value as evidence has ended.
 
Thinking many, many un-THR thoughts right now.

Criminals in uniform, getting paid from the public treasury.
 
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The City of Birmingham has a policy of not returning recovered guns regardless of the circumstances

I imagine that a gun reported as stolen would be returned to the rightful owner. What I'm hearing is that evidence guns are not sold by the department and therefore destroyed after their value as evidence has ended.

That would only be if "regardless of the circumstances" means something other than what it means.
 
I would cntact the NRA and tell them about this. If you could get the serial number go out on your own and try to find the rightfull owner. Once you find that owner you can tell him that you found his P38 and the police have and are going to melt it down.

Have him contact the NRA I am sure they would e all over this like white on rice.
 
"That would only be if "regardless of the circumstances" means something other than what it means." It means that unless you have a darn good attorney you ain't gettin' your property back. By contrast,Blount County where I live publishes a list of condemned property,including firearms,in the local newspaper. Anyone with a claim (and proof)of ownership can make a claim. Jefferson County,including the City of Birmingham does not.
 
Wait, you all think that gun is going to be melted down?

Of course it isn't. It's going to be "melted down", right into some cop's dresser drawer. :scrutiny::cuss:
 
jlbraun,I would LIKE to think that but sadly there is NO evidence to support that assumption. My son-in-law (the arresting officer) attempted to buy it after the case is settled(adw on an officer) but was denied.
 
I had 17 guns stolen in 1996 in Solano County, California, when I was stationed at Travis AFB. The dispatched "Safety Officer"--a 20 year old, 'not-quite-a-police-officer'--(apparently all the real police officers can't be bothered with simple stolen goods crimes)--told me that even if my weapons were recovered, I'd never get them back.

I've been trying to find it in writing via the web just now, but not having any luck...I'll keep trying.
 
IF they truly intend to keep if from a probable rightful owner somewhere out there, this might be the part where you quietly read the serial number, send it to a friendly LEO in a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT jurisdiction, see if they can find who it really belongs to, and see if that person is willing to start a juicy lawsuit over it.

You know, assuming the lawyers say it's a go and all.
 
I'd have to say that you will never find the "registered" owner.

If it is a "war relic", the GI that brought it home probably never registered it, and at that time, I don't think "we" had to register any of our store bought guns.

UJ
 
my guess is they get away with it as they dont look to see who owns the gun. talk about a dept that has management that does not read their oath of office.
 
The same thing happened here. Stolen guns and guns used in some crimes were cut up/melted. There were some extremely valuable guns in the bunch that got destroyed. Obviously firearms that belonged to a collector and not some eastern block Makarov you can buy off the street.
 
In Birmingham, AL

if a weapon has been condemed by a judge; on to the smelting pot
at ACIPCO it goes, even if its considered a "target grade weapon".

I think in reality, that most of the weapons that are confiscated by POLICE
and ultimately destroyed are ones that were traced to a criminal history.
Even if the S/N has been obliterated, there are ways to recover it using
acid, crazy glue, and a freezer~! :uhoh: ;)
 
Our dept has never allowed an officer to purchase a gun that was recovered. Ive seen them destroy high dollar scopes that were attached to guns. We even proposed selling them to the public to raise money for the dept. but the judge condemned them and wouldnt even allow scopes to be removed and sold to public.
 
What a loss... I wonder if thats the same policy if you used a weapon in a justified self defense shooting. If that is the case, you had better compensate me for it!
 
Here is something to make military arms collectors cry. My son-in-law who is an officer with the Birmingham Alabama Police Department arrested a "perp" who pulled a pistol on him. He confiscated the pistol which turned out to be a Walther P38. Not just any P38 but a Nazi issued P38 with SS markings. All components,including the magazine,had matching serial numbers. This piece of military history was obviously stolen from someone's collection. The City of Birmingham has a policy of not returning recovered guns regardless of the circumstances and this relic like so many others is slated to be melted down. It is enough to make a grown man cry

Do you know if the perp was a juvenile?

We had a class last year where a guy was giving us laws on dealing with juveniles. One of the staements he made was involving guns. First they were mandated to go to juvenile detention instead of being released to parents. He also said the gun has to be destroyed.

We questioned what if he stole a high dollar collectors piece and the guy stated as far as he knew it hadnt been challenged in court.

I would think there has to be exceptions to the policy as compared to EVERY gun recovered. There is no way they can just refuse to return any gun despite the circumstances.
 
After working for a few too many years in the government, and being around people whose job it was to "confiscate" firearms, I would be willing to bet a large sum of cash that that said firearm will NOT get melted down, but someone in a position to oversee its handling, will end up pocketing it, and it will go to someones personal collection, who is on the police force.

Im not saying that will happen. Im saying ive seen it happen.

the Government is not as squeeky clean as the man behind the curtain would have us believe. It has a lot of moving parts, and with it, many weak links in the chain.
 
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I've taught unarmed defense in police academies off and on for more years than I like to talk about. I've seen and heard what they teach perspective young cops.

"You have the legal right to do anything you can make the subject think you have the right to do."

Sad but true, this often seems to be the prevailing mindset in too many police departments.

Sounds like this particular department needs a pricey lawsuit to set them straight.
 
Yep, Crash is correct~! :) As it has happened here locally. :eek:

Many year's ago, we had not such an honest local police chief
who would seize what property he wanted (including confiscated
firearms) from the evidence locker, and remove said property to
his home basement. All went well for him, until he fell from grace
after the May 2, 1979 bombing of city hall. :uhoh: :scrutiny: ;)
 
Disagree...

As a retired Bham officer who spent over eight years working in the police property romm, I can tell you that it is the policy of the Bham Police to return firearms to the rightful owners. If your firearm is lost, or stolen you need to fill out a police report to that fact. When the weapon is recovered and placed in the property room, it is run by make, cal and serial number for a stolen check thru NCIC. If the weapon is lost, or stolen and a report has been filed, then it has the owners name and address on that report. A letter is sent to the owner stating that they have 90 days from post date on letter to pick up the weapon. After 90 days, the weapon is pulled and placed in a box to be inventoried for destruction. After hundreds are boxed, then they are taken to a facility where they are destroyed. We have had owners come in months after the weapon was destroyed to claim it. We then refer them to the Law Dept. and they are reimbursed for their loss. I do not know why people spread false info about the Bham Police Dept., especially a father-in-law. As for that Nazi Luger, it will probably be destroyed because it was taken from a war theater and the owner doesn't have proper paperwork. Also, I am a NRA member and a strong Second Amendment supporter.
 
As for that Nazi Luger, it will probably be destroyed because it was taken from a war theater and the owner doesn't have proper paperwork

Arms sold before NCIS background checks and such have no "proper paperwork". My grandfather's Marlin 336 was purchased by him in 1965 and doesn't have any paperwork attached to it. Of course, if it was stolen, I'd file a police report with details straight away. The only paperwork possible for some arms is a stolen firearms report filed with the police department.
 
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