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Disheartened by "sportsmen"...

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Berek, Oct 9, 2005.

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  1. Berek

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    sportswomen... whatever. I've dealt with both. For the past 2 or 3 years, I've been dealing with an epidemic that seems to be growing with no end in sight. Unsportsman-like conduct. Lemme explain.

    I teach Hunter Education and Bowhunter Education in New York. It seems that more and more people have taken up swearing, especially when they find out that the class that they are trying to register for is full.

    I've held 3 classes (1 bow and 2 shotgun) in the last month with one coming up in two weeks. Last week, I received a call from a guy wanting to register his two sons for a bow class. Unfortunately, the class he wanted had been booked for 2 weeks prior to his call.

    When he found out that it was full and *BEFORE* I could offer the one in two weeks, he proceeded to swear at me (as if it was my fault) and then hung up. He even went so fars as to blame me that his sons will not be getting their bow license this year. (Like I have anything to do with that if they don't take a class.) What is worse is this is not an isolated incident.

    Most of the instructors in NY have their classes set up and posted by January or February. Most classes are held in the fall. This give 7 months before my fall classes start for these ppl to register. It is not my fault that these ppl wait until the last minute to register for a class.

    Now for my final question. Am I and my partner the only instuctors that have to put up with ppl that get verbally abusive when ppl wait until the last minute to register for a class? If not, how do you deal with ppl like this?

    I'm sorry for ranting. I feel that ppl like this are not sportsman and it disappoints and frustrates me.

    Berek
     
  2. Lupinus

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    While I am not any form of instructor, hell im still at the level of the one needing to be instructed, I notice it reguarly.

    People shout cuss yell scream and want nothign to do.

    They want to go out and catch a big fish. They want to go out and see a deer in five minute's shoot it reguardless where the bullet goes track it down...maybe provided it doesn't get to far into the bush and isnt to much of a hassle....take a picture or the head and leave the animal.

    Plenty of great hunter's and plenty coming into it as well. But quite a bit don't care about the sport. They don't care about being out with nature. They don't care about the hunt.

    Common trend with everything these day's. Plenty of good people about. But the ignorant are plentiful.
     
  3. myrockfight

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    Just some thoughts..

    But the ignorant are plentiful. -Lupinus

    That is exactly what I was thinking while I was reading Berek's post.



    Berek - All I can tell you is that it would be best to forget about it. Sometimes it gets under your skin though, and I can completely understand that. I don't know if it is a "New York thing" or not. I also don't know if I have just gotten really used to sluffing it off myself. But when people start to get at me, I try to think that it is because they are having a crappy day, or their dog died.

    More accurately, I figure they had a crappy upbringing and they were never taught nor did they learn how to handle real world situations and people with dignity, respect, or honor.

    I literally feel bad for them. Write the comments and cussing off to any or all the above and just try to forget it.

    But when you have the opportunity to influence someone and help them understand how to act with dignity, honor, and respect. Since you work with so many people, I would assume that you come across many of the youth that live in your area. You have a great opportunity to help those people at a very influential point in their lives by using your influence in a great way.

    So do what you can, when you can. If you are acting in accordance with principles that you know are good and true, dismiss the actions of others who do not fall in line with them, but try to help them when you get the opportunity.


    I know you know this already. I am just telling you what works for me and hopefully reinforces the dignity and respect that you use with other people, no matter how they act.
     
  4. silverlance

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    and that is why

    I won't go hunting until I'm good and ready - ready in terms of finances, education, equipment, and time.

    I don't want to be like those idiots in 19th century idiots who shot all the grizzlies and buffalo to damn near extinction (and in the case of the california grizzly, to it).

    Until then, I'll be content with shooting paper and spinners (do let me know if anyone knows of a good one for 9mm).

    and getting damn good at it =)
     
  5. Zach S

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    No offense intended, but after spending a little time in NY, that doesn't surprise me.
     
  6. Berek

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    This caller had an 814 area code which puts him in PA. I'm only half an hour from the border.

    I know I shouldn't let this get to me. What really bothers me is that these walking attitudes are raising kids. What are they going to be like? What does this say about hunters? Was it just a bad day or does do they have this entitled attitude with every aspect of their life?

    Oh well. I thought maybe if I posted some of these ppl may read this and understand that we, as instructors, have class size limits put on by Albany. Maybe they'll understand that we are (at least in NY) volunteers. I don't get a dime for this and, with the price of gas now, it gets expensive getting the materials from my coordinator (they don't ship it to me) and getting it to the class. Preparing the materials and reviewing new tips, tricks and safety reports.

    I take the classes very seriously and spend many hours updating my statistical data and making sure I have everything I need to make the class as informative and enjoyable as possible. All on my own time and my own dime.

    Maybe one of these will stop and go "Hmmmm...."


    Berek
     
  7. orangeninja

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    "What really bothers me is that these walking attitudes are raising kids."




    Hey...to someone like me, that's just job security. :evil:
     
  8. Lupinus

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    Gotta love the "me" attitude eh? God forbid people exorcise common sense and wait for their time like people used to. No now everything has to be given to you now now now.
     
  9. ExtremeDooty

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    If it's any help, it's not just hunters. Rudeness is something you can run into anywhere and it seems to be getting worse.

    It's the same with golf. I was taught at an early age about the rules and the courtesy involved in playing the game. So many people that play these days are just plain rude and inconsiderate. They should be required to take a course much like the one you're talking about before being allowed on the course.

    At least you have the opportunity to change things for some hunters. You'll never change the guy you are talking about, so you'll just have to let it go in one ear and out the other. But at least you can make a difference for young people like his sons.
     
  10. bogie

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    You know, even with folks who aren't in "The City," I've found New Yorkers to be a rather obnoxious group of people.

    Campers, if you're from there, please try to be polite - the _rest of the world_ doesn't see you as being weak if you're not a bleep.... But when you behave like a bleep, well, you're a bleep.
     
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    I used to work at a community college and was sometimes involved with registration. You should see what goes on when classes fill up and people are trying to register late. I was in the health science area and we had strict rules on class size for courses with labs. It's a safety issue as a lab can handle just so many people at one time. I've never been cussed at or really hassled though. Usually, it was crying or begging. One bad incident can make you shy away from the other 99% of the people who are nice. Try not to let it get you down for too long. It may bother you for a while, there's nothing you can do about that. It just means you care about people and don't appreciate being blamed for something you have no control over.
    Allan Schisel
     
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    Ever thought of STARTING your answer with "my next class opening is ____". Shortcircuits the whole whinge, AND just might help you retain a customer.
     
  13. John G

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    People, in general, seem eager to show thier powers of obnoxiousness. Especially if you are providing them with a service, such as a hunters education course, unfortunately.

    I've seen it in upstate NY (where I'm from), downstate NY, NJ, Georgia, Florida, Hawaii, Guam, Thailand, Austrailia, London, Dublin, Houston, LA, Las Vegas...


    ...even on the internet!! :eek:
     
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    It's unfortunate that some people are that way. I want to thank you for the time and effort you put into Hunter Safety education. Here in WI, it is also unpaid, and the volunteers spend much time and money for a cause they really believe in. My son is currently taking Hunter Safety,and I've sat in on as many of the classes as possible (took mine in MN in '74), and went with him to the Field Day.(I even ended up fixing the 870 used for the trapshooting.) His instructors are very knowledgable, and we both appreciate their contribution to the future of hunting.(As well as yours, thanks again!) :)
     
  15. Buck Snort

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    Its the world we live in today and it ain't just folks from NY. Out here in the PRC there's plenty of that type too. I try to keep in mind that they are STILL in a small minority and will probably be so until long after my bones have turned to dust. Just conjure up an image of a duck standing out in the rain letting the water run off his back without soaking in, that's what ya gotta do with them bimbos.
     
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    I've noticed that the things people REALLY get worked up about are the things that are their own fault. It's like when I get really mad at the slow driver in front of me, it's because I overslept and now I'm going to be late for work. This guy knew it was his fault--that's why he got so mad. People will do anything to try to make their own faults into somebody else's.
     
  17. Byron Quick

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    It's not just hunters doing it. Try working in repossessions and collections:D

    Or as a nurse in the emergency department. I simply inform people that they do not speak to me in such a manner. If we are speaking on the phone, I hang up on them, gently and after saying goodbye. If in the ED, I call security. Back in the days of collections and repossession, I didn't have that much cursing face to face. Cursing someone is still considered grounds for fighting down here and people become somewhat more circumspect when it might get their butts beaten.

    Good post. Food for thought. I curse too much. Not at instructors. Not around women, coworkers, or strangers. Around male friends mostly. I actually become more polite, the angrier I become. But I do need to stop using swear words as adjectives.
     
  18. bearmgc

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    It seems, anybody involved in a service, can now days be targeted in the "blame game". I agree with somebody who said that usually people get caught up in frustrating situations, that are of their own making, and rather than take responsibility for the outcome, they unleash their anger at others. Yes, they're probably mad at themselves, and people that they only have incidental contact with are "safer" to spew rudeness at, than family and friends. The "me" attitude probably does come into play, but I don't know if its epidemic, just immature. There's still a good bunch of polite folks around. I just wish we'd see more of 'em to balance out the others. I have had to politely tell some people that I will gladly discuss their problem with them, when they can calmly talk and not swear at me. I then tell them I will hang up now.
     
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    +1

    This type of behavior certainly isn't restricted to hunters. It certainly seems to be more common. You are probably better off that they hung up before you could offer them another class.
     
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    Not necessarily cussing but rudeness in general...or the lack thereof from one lady.

    I have had shopping carts stolen from right next to me at stores (Walmart or something). I have said something each time I have seen someone do it. Yesterday, my wife and I were at Walmart looking at some stuff. The aisle was pretty congested so I pushed the cart up to the end and out of the way while we browsed. Shortly a woman asked if that was my cart and I said yes. I asked if it was in her way and she said no, she just needed a cart. I laughed and said thanks for asking. Most people just walk off with it. You have to understand that all the really rude folks from the NE were all kicked out and they live here in south Florida now so this was a real treat.

    Greg
     
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    I had a few items in my cart once at wal mart and decided to get something I had seen in the next isle (wanted it, decided no....new toy syndrom got the better of me) it was a small item so I left the cart where it was and went back to the next isle to get one.

    Took me maybe two minute's cause I looked it over read the pacage etc.

    Come back and what happened? Some moron took my items out throw them on the bottom shelf and stole my dang cart. :banghead:
     
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    None taken. :) I don't know Berek, but I am familiar with the part of the state him and I are from. What is kinda funny is that most people who live out in the midwest... or out west, or down south don't know is that this part of New York is more rural than where they are from.

    A buddy of mine who moved down to Tennessee brought his girlfriend back up "home" in New York for her birthday. He was trying to convince her that there were no sky scrapers and what not. Well, she wouldn't believe him until she got here. THen she realized that Tennessee is more urbanized that upstate New York :)

    Alas... we're stuck with that one city that everyone thinks of...
     
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    It is sad that some one would get mad becouse they screwed up and missed the dead line. I would just look at it as their loss and breath a sigh of relief that he had not signed up for the next class.
    There are rude people everywhere you go I guess. One personal expierence for me was a few months ago, I was trying to go into a convience store carring my small daughter. (She was 7-8 months old at the time). I also have to use a crutch or cane to walk. So both hands were full and there was a gentleman holding the door open for me and then out of nowhere a young girl about 17-18 years old RAN in front of me to go inside, almost knocking me and my daughter over. I was dumbfounded and the man looked a little ticked also. After we went in, I thanked him, and I think he actully went over to the girl and said something to her. I don't know what he said, but she would not even look at me as I left.
     
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    Good.

    People, esspecialy people my age, have no sense of common deceny. There was a time no one would have thought of doing thing.
     
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    "Forgiveness is between you and your maker. I'm here only to facilitate that meeting." - me

    Hey, you didn't come up with that quote!

    Anyway, I think that there is a big uptick in stress levels these days but that doesn't excuse the rudeness! Thank you for being an instructor!
     
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