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I picked up a hunting magazine the other day at the grocery store. I thumbed through it and it seems that the emphasis in the ads are these new long range "hunting" systems. One advertises "Range Point Shoot" and sells pre scoped and doped Weatherby rifles for $3,900 for big game animals out to 1,000 yards or 700 yards (depending on caliber).
Then we have one which touts a system in which all you need to do is drop $7500 and take their big buck$$ long range shooting school and start doing the "white feather" on unsuspecting critters at one kilometer and in.
Another takes the long out of long shots..
Hey, I love to bang steel at long range. I've got a custom M-70 barreled with A PAC NOR in a .270 Weatherby that I've got solid dope on out to 850 yards and on a good day I can absolutely slaughter an 8" steel plate almost every pull of the trigger all the way out to 850 yards. But you add just a bit of gusty wind or heavy mirage and my hit percentage goes out the window.
The problem that I have with all of this long range system stuff isn't that it can not deliver. It can, these are some pretty cool tools. My issues is that unless the man behind the machine is dedicated and willing to put in the trigger time under field conditions in all kinds of wind and weather it doesn't matter how cool your tool is. Just because you have a new and improved hammer it doesn't mean that you are a better carpenter! The most accurate rifle and scope set up money can but does not eliminate the shooter or environmental conditions. As Dirty Harry said, a man has got to know his limitations! The only way to know your limitations is go out and push the envelope on targets in all kinds of weather in all kinds of terrain and find out for yourself. Doing it off a solid rest at the range is a base point but that is all it is, it tells you very little about real world shooting in hunting conditions.
Fortunately the price point of these systems will keep the average and even the above average income hunter from running out and buying one of these systems thinking that they've just become the next Carlos Hathcock of the hunting world. But my guess is that the vast majority of guys who do buy these systems are throwing their money away and are giving themselves a serious case of false confidence. Unfortunately the wounded critters are the ones that are going to pay the price.
A 7 Rem Mag at 1,000 yards starting a 168 gr Berger VLD is producing about 1,100 ftLbs energy at about 1700 FPS remaining velocity(not much of a deer round at that distance and much less of an elk round). Time of Flight is pushing one second. Now add in an animal that decided to take a big step forward just as you touch off the trigger or a bit of wind, up and down drafts due to normal orographic and thermal deviations, by the way you don't get to know velocity and direction over mixed terrain because there are no wind flags in the wild, and you've got a wounded animal. And you've hit him with a minimal round which is not going to exit and you'll have a scant or non existent blood trail, good luck following that one up! There are a whole bunch of variations and deviations from the norm which occur in the wild that don't occur in a controlled environment. When you start shooting past 400 yards you get into a bunch of issues that are non linear and non predictable.
I'm of the school of thought that rifleman/hunter should always take an opportunity to get closer and if able to get more steady. Why wouldn't you given the opportunity? Closing the final distance to solid shooting range is the most exciting part of a hunt. Military snipers are forced to shoot at long range because they are in combat and need to stay concealed or somebody will kill them. Hunting is a whole other deal and we are hunters not snipers.
That's my take on it anyway.
Then we have one which touts a system in which all you need to do is drop $7500 and take their big buck$$ long range shooting school and start doing the "white feather" on unsuspecting critters at one kilometer and in.
Another takes the long out of long shots..
Hey, I love to bang steel at long range. I've got a custom M-70 barreled with A PAC NOR in a .270 Weatherby that I've got solid dope on out to 850 yards and on a good day I can absolutely slaughter an 8" steel plate almost every pull of the trigger all the way out to 850 yards. But you add just a bit of gusty wind or heavy mirage and my hit percentage goes out the window.
The problem that I have with all of this long range system stuff isn't that it can not deliver. It can, these are some pretty cool tools. My issues is that unless the man behind the machine is dedicated and willing to put in the trigger time under field conditions in all kinds of wind and weather it doesn't matter how cool your tool is. Just because you have a new and improved hammer it doesn't mean that you are a better carpenter! The most accurate rifle and scope set up money can but does not eliminate the shooter or environmental conditions. As Dirty Harry said, a man has got to know his limitations! The only way to know your limitations is go out and push the envelope on targets in all kinds of weather in all kinds of terrain and find out for yourself. Doing it off a solid rest at the range is a base point but that is all it is, it tells you very little about real world shooting in hunting conditions.
Fortunately the price point of these systems will keep the average and even the above average income hunter from running out and buying one of these systems thinking that they've just become the next Carlos Hathcock of the hunting world. But my guess is that the vast majority of guys who do buy these systems are throwing their money away and are giving themselves a serious case of false confidence. Unfortunately the wounded critters are the ones that are going to pay the price.
A 7 Rem Mag at 1,000 yards starting a 168 gr Berger VLD is producing about 1,100 ftLbs energy at about 1700 FPS remaining velocity(not much of a deer round at that distance and much less of an elk round). Time of Flight is pushing one second. Now add in an animal that decided to take a big step forward just as you touch off the trigger or a bit of wind, up and down drafts due to normal orographic and thermal deviations, by the way you don't get to know velocity and direction over mixed terrain because there are no wind flags in the wild, and you've got a wounded animal. And you've hit him with a minimal round which is not going to exit and you'll have a scant or non existent blood trail, good luck following that one up! There are a whole bunch of variations and deviations from the norm which occur in the wild that don't occur in a controlled environment. When you start shooting past 400 yards you get into a bunch of issues that are non linear and non predictable.
I'm of the school of thought that rifleman/hunter should always take an opportunity to get closer and if able to get more steady. Why wouldn't you given the opportunity? Closing the final distance to solid shooting range is the most exciting part of a hunt. Military snipers are forced to shoot at long range because they are in combat and need to stay concealed or somebody will kill them. Hunting is a whole other deal and we are hunters not snipers.
That's my take on it anyway.