Do any plated bullets have crimp groves

https://www.berrysmfg.com/product/bp-30-30-308-150gr-rnfp
I was looking at these and was wondering if it is possible to swage a bullet with a crimp Grove and then plate it. It's something that us tube magazine people always talk about but was curious if the bullet could be designed better?

 

Berry's and Xtreme make pistol bullets with a canalure. Don't know how they make them though.

 

https://www.ch4d.com/products/equipment/bullet-tools/CanToo

Do it yourself.

 

I've bought them from RMR in the past. For a long time since they've just been addressing the demand for more popular bullets. They have some revolver bullets now, but not the plated hollow points with the crimp groove that I've bought from them in the past. I believe they were an in-house bullet. I've also bought Speer TMJ from them. Those are plated bullets and the 357 versions have a crimp groove. Gold Dots are also plated bullets and in revolver calibers have a crimp groove. Berry's makes these: https://www.berrysmfg.com/product/38357-357-158gr-fp-tp I haven't tried them. I do use Berry's regular plated hollow point bullets. When I crimp them, a groove is formed. I just use a Redding Profile Crimp die and it grooves the plated bullets. I can pull the bullets afterward and see the groove. I can form a pretty severe groove, but I tend to back the crimp off until I see just a faint line on the pulled bullet. I'm sure my Lee FCD would crimp even harder and easily form a deep groove if I wanted that.



The RMR plated HP is on the left. On the right is a Berry's that I pulled after a heavy crimp. The bullets in the middle are TMJ plated bullets in 135 and 158 grains.

 

That's a cannalure. If you look at a cast bullet a crimp Grove is easily distinguished from. The lube Grove. They taper toward the front and come almost strait out.

 

What issues were you having withe plated bullets? I run Berry's .311 123 grain in my RAR 7.62X39. 9 grains of unique.

 

Campro bullets do. They have a thicker coat of copper than most and can be loaded very close to copper jacket bullet loads.

 

Berry's Bullets FAQ | Copper Plated Bullets (berrysmfg.com)

There are 3 possible answers to your question on the FAQ page........These kinds of pages are kinda interesting to read thru on a lot of products.......

 

Mine didn't tumble. The pic is from some load testing with the berry's. Maybe they have improved them?

 

They are on there, but the cannelure isn’t very deep. I also found out it will cut at the cannelure and the plating will separate if too much roll crimp is used.

I whipped up a batch with too much crimp a while back. The noses of the Xtreme DEWC would fly off and punch extra holes in the (lousy) targets I shot. If folks want to use them, be careful with the crimp or you’ll end up wasting a bunch of bullets, powder and primers like I did.

Stay safe.

 

I use the Xtreme bullets, I really like these.
https://www.xtremebullets.com/38-158-SWC-p/xc38-158swc-b0500.htm
https://www.xtremebullets.com/38-148-WC-p/xc38-148wc-b0500.htm

I chamfer my brass and use trimmed brass if I'm loading into one of these shallow canulars, I helps to not cut the plating.

I've never seen a plated 30-30 with a canular.

 

I have better accuracy from hardcast & coated than plated.

These are my #503 KEITH clear powder coated.

Plenty of crimp groove.

 

You'll get no resistance from me that cast are the way. Not everyone casts and I'm surprised that bullets don't take the most common platform into consideration for design.

 

X-treme has them I know for sure. Their 45 bullets intended for 45 Colt has a cannelure, also their 44 Mag heavy plated have a cannelure. I would imagine Berry's is the same.

 

I like cast bullets more than anything, but the smoke they create at the indoor range I frequent isn’t cool. I fired 12 rounds each of some 178 gr Keith and 200 gr SWCGC through my 686 last Friday. The fog I created at the end of the range obscured the targets and actually made the guy next to me stop shooting and step away. (I apologized and let him know I was done with those loads.) I am usually a plated or coated bullet shooter for that reason.

The only issues I have had with plated-coated bullets were early on; learning the right amount of flare needed to avoid cutting the plating or peeling the coating, and the proper roll crimp (light!) to not cut the plating. Once I figured that out I’ve shot boxes of both coated and plated bullets with or without cannelure or grooves. (Xtreme makes great bullets, I probably have 3,000 or more on the shelves right now. )

Stay safe.

 

I never liked shooting indoors

 

That tells you their exhaust system is not working very well. May want to get you lead levels checked.

 

X-Treme

Tried some of these in my 357 with a roll crimp & 6.2gn of Titegroup. The plating separated but I believe operater error. 1-they are labeled. .38 Special 2- that is not a crimp grove on the bullet 3- can't prove it but bet my roll crimp cut the plating. 4- make sure you buy the correct bullet for what you want to do. 5 - this bullet works fine with 5.0\5.3 grains of W231 in. 357 cases, light taper crimp, estimated 825 fps, coated lead runs 925 fps cronoed same style bullet & loading. Plated will give me 2"-2.5 " groups @ 25 yds with very old tired eyes. Plays well with 6" steel @ 50 yds. GP100 6"

 

Sounds like their ventilation system isn't up to speed. Most of the smoke created by shooting cast is from the lube. Coated bullets do away with that. Since I switched to Hi-Tek coated cast I haven't looked back...so many benefits over straight cast and plated.

 

Or a different range.