Do Pietta's Have The Same Problems As Uberti's?

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  1. ThomasT

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    I just put an 1851 and 1860 Colt copy on my Notify Me list at Midway. I have seen many threads on the problems with Uberti arbors and wondered if the Piettas have the same problem or if they have their own set of problems?

    I am having so much fun with my Pietta NMA that I am considering buying a Colt version to shoot. Most likely the 1860 since I already have the .454 bullet mold and I like the bigger bore size.
     
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    No.
     
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    Nothing like a concise and to the point answer. Lol.
     
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    ThomasT...

    I have had no problems with my fairly-recent made Piettas in both those models you mention.

    Only issue was getting the wedge out for the very first time in the Army model.

    Patience and a rubber mallet served well.

    If you are having a blast with your NMA, I think you will dig those Colt models as well.

    Have fun...!!
     
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  5. arcticap

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    Fall Creek Suttlery shows that they have the Pietta 1860 available for $345. --->>> https://fcsutler.com/fccwrevolvers.asp
    You might want to call them to verify.
     
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    ThomasT

    I have three Pietta revolvers of relatively recent vintage: two Remington's, a New Model Army and a New Model Navy, and a Colt Model 1860. All three are well built and nicely finished. No problems with the arbor on the Colt or any other sort of troublesome issues. The actions on the Remingtons were somewhat stiff initially but the Colt already came with a very smooth action from the factory!
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    This is the gun I was most interested in. An 1851 Navy in .44 caliber. I think it is not historically correct but I don't care about that. I like the octagonal barrel and the $289 price or for an extra $10 you get the gun with the starter pack. I don't need the starter stuff, I have all that already but can always give it to someone else who needs a flask or powder measure.

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002265659?pid=726641
     
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    It is out of stock with NO backorder. Until Pietta and Uberti begin full scale production again you are relegated to the used market.

    A year ago Old South was selling them for less than $220.

    Pandemic prices plus supply and demand.

    Regards,

    Jim
     
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    These are terrible times to be enamored with percussion revolvers. The demand is growing every day and it appears manufacturing has basically halted.

    I think Pietta has more problems with parts durability, fit, and finish. Uberti are nicer, but just as prone to requiring finishing work. It’s kind of a Honda versus Toyota argument.
     
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    a good choice. Mine has been a lot of fun and very reliable stock.
    I love the looks of the navy but I prefer the thump of the .44s. If it had the Army grip frame it would be ideal for me. But the navy frame is great also. I have large paws and prefer the 1860-sized grip.





     
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    I have to disagree with 2/3 of your statement. Finish is in the eye of the beholder. As far as durability and especially fit (arbor, arbor recess, bolt), Pietta has it all over Uberti, insofar as the CNC guns both have produced since ~2002. If you are speaking of pre-CNC guns, both of them are a crapshoot, and CNC parts for pre-CNC guns don't fit or require fitting at the very least. I am speaking primarily of 1851 Navy .36 revolvers, but the list does not stop there.

    Pettifogger produced these tutorials around 2009 for both the Pietta and Uberti revolvers. Use this link to download the .pdf files for each revolver. Notice that the Piettas require only two files while the Ubertis require four files. Wonder why this is...

    PettiFogger_Files directory listing (archive.org)

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    Buy an Uberti 1862 police or 1849 pocket and get back to me. They are widely known to be very problematic. Arbors on Ubertis are known to be short. Mainsprings are known to be weak.

    All 6 of my Piettas have been 100% from day 1. I haven’t “slicked” them up or had to replace any stock parts. I just shoot them. And they’re accurate and reliable. Caps are a potential issue (as with all cap and ball revolvers) but IME if you roll your pistol to the right as you cock the hammer and use Remington #10s it’s almost never a problem.
     
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    I actually use CCI #11 caps and don't have a problem. They split badly but using the cocking up to the right roll, they just fall off.
     
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    I just bought a Pietta 1858 I haven’t even shot yet so no real hurry. I am patient and can wait. And I really like my new Pietta. I had one 25 years ago bought from Cabelas I still don’t know why I sold it. And back then I paid around $125 for the gun.

    My first BP revolver was a used Uberti 1860 that it would shoot 12 shots OK but by the time you were on the third cylinder full you had to rotate the cylinder by hand while cocking the hammer. But to be fair I am not sure I knew to lube the arbor. I just don’t remember it’s been so long ago.

    I know a lot more now and shouldn’t have any problems making one run. I just don’t want to buy a gun and then start off having to make repairs that the factory didn’t get right to begin with.

    I have several thousand #11 caps but no #10 caps and caps are hard to find and stupid expensive when you do find them so it was easier to just order new nipples for #11 caps so that’s what I did. Just got them Thursday and screwed them in. CCIs were a very tight fit. Remingtons were just a little loose. That’s okay. I have way more CCI than Remington anyway.
     
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    FWIW I have 2 bone-stock Pietta 1860s and they have gone over 100 shots in a shooting session using Goex black, Pyrodex loose powder, and Triple Se7en, without "stopping", just with an initial good lube of the arbor with Bore Butter. You've probably seen me post these but if you're interested here they are. The only stuff that failed this "torture test" was Pyrodex pellets.



     
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    Guns of the West just uploaded this video which may or may not be helpful to some. I haven't watched it yet but FYI

     
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    Im a pietta man through and through. All 4 of mine are Slicker then owl ****. I like em. Theyve been good to me
     
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    Thanks for the videos 1KPerDay. I still don't know why I had to sign in to watch that one video. Sorta strange but thats the rule with YT these days.
     
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    I have followed threads for years and on multiple forums and the gist seems to be that the Uberti models are much more authentic in size and shape. Pietta’s quality has come to similar standards as Uberti for almost 2 decades now. Pietta parts are much cheaper. I’ve heard it claimed Pietta’s springs aren’t quite as durable but they do last a long time. It seems most all Ubertis suffer the short arbor but are easily fixed with shims if you’re of the tinkering sort.

    After all of my reading I was set on wanting an Uberti NMA as the front sight and latch are dovetailed. Some people had pressed Pietta parts fall off, and being dovetailed allows for windage adjustments. But Cabelas 2013 Christmas special on the Pietta with the free starter found it’s way to my house. It shoots a bit to the left.

    Just handling it a bit quickly was eating a drag line as well as wearing on the ratchet from the hand so I had to smooth these. Not a big deal and I can’t say whether or not an Uberti wouldn’t have done the same.

    The fit of the grips weren’t too bad but not quite right either. Piettas grip is fatter too from what I’ve read. I have small hands and sanded them along the inside as well as removed what I felt was a hideous stain and worked the outsides as well.

    I’m a hunter and create WFN bullets. I found, just as everyone else stated, that the loading window/port isn’t designed for anything but balls unlike Uberti. I had to open this up quite a bit. I was also told my Pietta would have the slower 1:30” twist, but it does not, it’s 1:16” just like Uberti so they should shoot most anything.

    Pietta tends to grossly undersize their chambers. My barrel is 0.4525” and the chambers were about 0.446” whereas Uberti has a similar bore with 0.450” chambers. I had mine reamed to 0.449” and chamfered but can’t say I notice a difference. I’ve been wanting to open them further, maybe 0.452”. Accuracy is good though as is, about 1/2” larger than with my longer ROA offhand at 15 yds.

    I found, as many stated, that the hammer didn’t fit snug into the safety slots. A little filing and it fits well.

    After the things I’ve done I’m fairly happy with my Pietta NMA. I’d be much happier if it hit to POA though so doing something about that is likely.
     
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    Does your Pietta NMA Sheriff have a dovetailed front sight?
    Also, what is the proof date code, 2 letters inside of a small box on the side of the frame?
     
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    Yep dovetailed front sight and the only box on the frame has the number "20" inside of it.
     
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    Your Pietta Sheriff is dovetailed from the factory?
     
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    Yes. Need a picture?
     
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    No pic necessary. Didn’t realize they got away from pressed fit parts. Is the lever latch also dovetailed then I guess?
     
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    Nope thats pressed fit. But I was glad to see the front sight dovetailed in. At least I can change it if needed. But per one of the videos posted around here they are shooting a little low so once you have a load you like you can file the sight down a little to raise the POI.

    I think the video of them shooting low was posted by poster 1KPerDay but I can't find the thread with the video in it right now.
     
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