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Do shootresses really learn faster than shooters?

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  1. Boberama

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    In a book by Ayoob, he says new shootresses are usually faster than new shooters at learning to shoot.

    Is this true?

    And why?
     
  2. Full Metal Jacket

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    yes.

    i take dates to the range, and these chicks generally shoot MUCH better than guys their first time out.

    it's been proven that woman have better hand/eye coordination than men. that's the reason.
     
  3. 9mmepiphany

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    Generally yes

    Women have fewer perceived ideas of how to shoot and have less investing in being right, than in learning how it should be done.

    It is more a communication style, than a gender ability...it is the same reason most men won't stop to ask directions when they are lost. If you had a male who will admit that they have no idea of how to shoot and that you are obviously the more knowledgeable shooter, they learn just as quickly...they have nothing to prove.
     
  4. Boberama

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    So that's probably why a lawyeress I know said that when she was shown the police practice range here, she shot better than them on her first try.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------^That's scary.
     
  5. Full Metal Jacket

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  6. Boberama

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    人生哲理 means Philosophy of Life.

    The second quote is from NASA's blog.


    Bet you guys still haven't solved my puzzle.
     
  7. btg3

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    2 reasons:

    FIRST: slightly better hand-eye coordination

    SECOND: The gals LISTEN and are far more "coach-able" that the fellas who think they already know how and can't wait to show ya.
     
  8. Flintknapper

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    9mmepiphany wrote:


    I would agree with all of the above.

    I have trained hundreds of people to shoot, from rank beginners to fairly accomplished shooters (rifle and pistol).

    On average....women/females, tend to learn the basics quicker than their male counterparts. I would attribute that success to their willingness to listen and learn. Generally, they come with a more "teachable spirit" than do the men/males.

    But....there are other factors as well.

    "Most" females possess marginally better hand/eye coordination and measurably better fine motor skills.

    Females process information differently than males, they use both sides of the brain to a greater degree and communicate more freely.

    All these things are conducive to quick learning....whereas males (not all) seem to have "built in" impediments. I can't tell you the number of men (males over the age of 16) that simply refused to accept sound instruction.

    It seems that a good number of them ...come down the birth canal...thinking they ALREADY know how to: Rope, Ride, Shoot, Spit and Cuss.
     
  9. KarenTOC

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    There's an author/linguist/professor called Deborah Tannen who has studied male vs female communication styles. She explains that there's a big difference in the way boys and girls learn how to get along with members of their own sex: little boys bond through competition; little girls bond through cooperation. It's important for boys to "win" because they are competing for status and "power." (My loudenbanger is better than your wimpencheapie). Women are the opposite - they prefer to share the power. Each girl/woman in a group will try to build up the others rather than compete with them (oh no, your shoes are much prettier than mine!).

    Men compete with their trainer; women cooperate. Obviously there are exceptions.


    By the way: women who shoot are called shooters. Women who practice law are called lawyers. What's with all the esses added to words?!?
     
  10. hso

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    In my experience of training people to shoot, yes. Fewer bad habits to overcome, less "I know this already", more active interest in listening/learning. That doesn't mean that all men or all women are the same, it's just, percentage based, that a much much higher percentage of women are more receptive to training starting out and that a much higher percentage of men aren't.
     
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  11. LHRGunslinger

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    I'm 21. I earned Rifle Shooting Merit Badge in the good ol BSA. That means at 25 feet with a Marlin .22LR Bolt gun with iron sights I had to get five groups of five touching a quarter and five groups of five under. I don't know a damn thing about shooting only that I got lucky.
     
  12. JoeSlomo

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    No.

    Individuals with no prior experience with firearms may seem like they "learn faster" when coached by a competent instructor, however, this has more to do with NOT having to unlearn bad habits than gender. Males tend to have experience with some semblance of a firearm, real or otherwise, and often times must UNLEARN before they can learn.

    My experience shooting professionally and in competition has been counter to this statement.

    Female performance with firearms has always been on the lower end of the spectrum compared to males I served with in the military. The same applies to local USPSA and IDPA matches. I don't believe a female has yet achieved a "Grand Master" classification in USPSA (the top 5%) and only a handful have achieved a "Master" classification (from 85% to 94.9%). USPSA is a sport dominated by the need for excellent hand/eye coordination and fine motor skills, and yet the stats show that being female lends no advantage to performance.

    In the end it comes down to a willingness to learn, and having the discipline to execute what you have learned.
     
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    And an amazing number of men think they know more about the subject than does Tannen.
     
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    In my experience with newbies and students in hunter safety classes, yes. Probably the primary reason is that the girls don't have bad habits, and they tend to be more willing to listen to instruction. I am not saying that "women shoot better than men." Only that female newbies tend (a tendency is not a rule) to do better than males.
     
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    Yes, for all the reasons stated.
     
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    Yes....... unless she has an extremely competitive edge and an abundance of pride...

    I know, I married that girl 23 years ago.
     
  17. hardluk1

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    There is also no macho attitude envolved with lady's. That also go's with.learning to ride motorcycles.
     
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    In my experience: yes, without question. I have no idea how many folks I've taught to shoot (quite a few) and without a doubt the ladies typically learn proper techniques and get better results faster than men.

    Just my $.02. YMMV.

    Take care,
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    From my experience, females do LEARN faster than males when it comes to shooting sports, but very seldom over time, do they become more PROFICIENT.

    Is it biology or culture?:confused:

    Don't know, don't care.:p
     
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    "Women have fewer perceived ideas of how to shoot and have less investing in being right, than in learning how it should be done."

    Well said.
    It seems as if they do reach a plateau. Randi Rogers aka Holy Terror has ruled the World Cowboy Championship. She is so good, she places in the top 16 and earns the right to the shoot off for Top Gun. I can't remember her winning that one. She gaduated college, married, and Is working/shooting for Glock. She came in, by a gnat's butt, second in the female world this year.

    Jesse Abbate shoots for Glock. She used to shoot cowboy and married Billy Abbate aka The Grim Reaper.
    In six years or so, Jessie has gone from a beginning shooter to top ranked professional, earning National and World Champion shooting titles, as well as other regional champion titles, in four different shooting disciplines. She joined Team Glock and became a representative to the shooting industry. Jessie trains with Billy, one of the first competitors in the nation to earn the Grand Master classification.
    A little early to tell, but judging by the way she is winning, Dave Sevigny better watch out. She shoots for Glock also.
    http://www.jessieabbate.com/accomplishments.php
    Maybe Jesse will topple the man thiing.
     
  21. M2 Carbine

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    In my limited experience teaching both it seems like females do learn faster.

    A good example is this girl that I taught a few months ago.
    She had never touched a gun in her life (her mother is anti gun).

    In about an hour she went from standing shooting a Ruger 22/45 (about 50 rounds) to shooting a S&W 38 J Frame on the move, while getting most shots COM, or close.
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    Then as it got dark I gave her a Crimson Trace laser equipped J Frame and a quick briefing on using the laser. As I packed up she tore the targets up with the laser.
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    On her second shooting day she was shooting very accurately, left handed, with the J Frame.
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    Then I gave her a briefing on my 4 inch 45 Kimber and 4-5 magazines and told her to shoot it at about 10 yards and see how she like it. She did good.
    After shooting the 40 rounds I ran her through the Texas concealed carry qualification course, just for fun. (50 timed shots from 3, 7 and 15 yards)
    She shot a 242/250. Which is a decent score for someone that's been shooting a while and great for someone on their second day shooting.
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    I like to teach females to shoot.:)
     
  22. W.E.G.

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    Will my scores go up if I put on a dress?

    I don't want y'all standing behind me while I shoot prone now.
     
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    Yes, cause they will actually listen to what you teach them.
     
  24. 52grain

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    I would have to say that they do learn faster. Mostly because they are more coachable.

    I am having trouble correcting Mrs. Klineia's flinch when shooting trap, but other than that, she was a pretty quick study. She always closes her eyes right before she pulls the trigger. She knows she's not supposed to do it, just can't stop herself. I use the 12 gauge Winlites. Only solution that I can think of is to trade her 870 for a 28 gauge.

    She's pretty decent with a rifle.
     
  25. springmom

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    Wait a minute. Did Mas actually use the word "shootresses"????????? :barf::banghead:

    Jan
     
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