Do you avoid going to countries that don't respect RKBA?

Do you avoid going to countries that don't respect RKBA?

  • Yes, I do.

    Votes: 100 47.8%
  • No, I don't.

    Votes: 109 52.2%

  • Total voters
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HGUNHNTR said:
I would fight for humans and their well being, regardless of which side of the border they are on.

So, if a "people" didn't have "well being", you'd fight for them regardless of where they are from?

Are you really saying you'd fight against the US for the Mexicans illegally crossing the border because they have no "well being" in Mexico? :rolleyes:
 
And to Cosmoline: yes, some of the countries like France, Italia and Uk can be risky if you visit the wrong side of their towns.. But the crime rate is way down low compared to most of the large city`s in the US

I'm not sure this is entirely true. Homicide rates remain higher in the US, and most of those are criminal-on-criminal as a result of the asinine "War on Drugs", but the overall crime index is higher in much of Europe. I specifically remember reading a study from a Dutch university about this, but I haven't found it yet. Interpol 2001 stats show the following rate of crime per 100,000 population:

4161 - US
7736 - Germany
6941 - France
9927 - England and Wales
 
I don't know if it still applies, but some friends of mine went to South Africa a couple of times back in the '90s & they were 'encouraged' to carry concealed.
 
Bonza, how'd the get their guns into South Africa? Did they just buy black market guns once they got there?
 
I've heard that there are many black market guns available in South Africa. I assume they come in over the border.
 
Zundfolge said:
I've heard that there are many black market guns available in South Africa. I assume they come in over the border.

I sure don't doubt that. As we all know, black market guns are available anywhere people are willing to pay for them, same as drugs. Contempt for the law by criminals is something antis have trouble grasping, perhaps because the notion that some people are actually bad and harbor ill intent is totally incongruous with their utopianism. It's much easier to just blame a misused tool. The antis are trying to un-invent firearms through legislation, with predictable results that would be hilarious were it not for the fact that many good people are left defenseless because of it.
 
Quite possibly you won't leave your home

Not too many countries allow the citizenry to defend themselves. You might never leave home if you boycotted all that do.
 
It's not that they "don't respect RKBA", it's that the right does not exist in the first place.

Other countries are fine. American states that don't respect my rights as an American are NOT OK however, because I take it as a personal insult against my country ideologically.

That and they just so happen to be the most dangerous, armed-criminal-infested places in our country.

I do wish they'd follow the rules...
 
I would go to any country in the world that intrigued me. When I get there I will assess the situation, if I feel the need I will arm myself with what I can find. I've been to Mexico, and though I did not know the language I find trouble is as easy to spot there as i is here. Your best weapon is between your ears.
 
I would love to visit Italy, but I would not want to live there as I would have to give up many of my guns, and possibly even my whole hobby depending on where I live.

I want to at least visit a Nordic country, if only to experience buying a suppressor over the counter. Also: pretty blond girls.

And after reading the thread about Czech firearms laws, I'd love to visit there and even try to finagle a visit to CZ.
 
artiz said:
...in montreal there is the SPVM (Service de Police de la Ville de Montréal) and they are not very serious, that's why I will never live in montreal, stupid authority...
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That's how it is in German cities which have ultra-liberal mayors- and constituencies. I've noticed that the police are most effective in conservative precints. In fact, it's quite a discrepancy as how one police force behaves, compared to another force elsewhere in the country. Particularly, where I reside, the police have been victims of bad publicity from small ultra-left press agents. You know, those who hand out pamphlets and print short newspapers. Case in point, A person of sub-Saharan origin was approached by a policeman for suspicion of dealing drugs. A passer-by happened to have a camera available. The candid photo made its way to the printing press along with the caption titled, "Discrimination". I'm sure that if the police have happened to approach a native German, nobody would have thought it unusual enough to pull out the camera. So, I don't blame the police for simply checking in, driving around, all day long and checking out until retirement. If the residents hate authority, why should the police lift a finger?
However, there is an advantage to that, if you happen to have a grudge against somebody and decide to settle it out of court. In that case, lazy policemen are less likely to take an investigation as seriously. I don't necessarily mean murder. But say, you're getting back at an old boss who used to yell at you as if you were a dog, as well as cleaning a carbouretor using compressed air. But, instead of blasting the air through the carbouretor through the open door, he blasts the fumes porvocatively into the garage as a gesture of great disrespect. Now, if you get out the wrist rocket and decide to silently ventilate all new cars with the lead pellets of which you casted from melted down wheel weights or decide to wear a stocking over your head and stalk the boss to whoop him a little and then pour a bucket of gasoline over his head, you could do either in a constituency where the police have grievances and are most likely to come out even with your score.
I myself, have accumulated quite a list of debt to collect on, since, like Canada and western Europe, one could get into big trouble for stepping outside with someone to duke it out. In other words, the methods we used to use in Michigan to immediately settle a dispute, is frowned upon (to put it lightly) in disarmed countries. One has to settle matters in a clandestine manner, instead, which is not near as satisfying. In that list, however, there are a couple members of the visible minority. If they get equal treatment as others on the list, the police are more than likely to investigate such an incident meticulously, on the grounds that a possible "Hate Crime" could have been commited (Even though, the local police have no particular sympathy for that group, they are obligated to carry out their duty). Such suspicion starts simply by spitting in one's face. And, our DA here, seems inclined to press the police department in the direction of thoroughly investigating such alleged crimes. Whether such lone wolf score settling is a "Hate Crime" or not, such will be treated as one which actually puts privilege on solving matters concerning persons of obvious distinction over equal matters concerning others. This discrepancy could lead to the confiscation of the computer hard drive and a search warrant. If no conviction can be applied, basic information will be handed over to trhe communal registry. In other words, if a similar incident were to take place, elsewhere in town, the information kept over one's alleged act can be used as reference. Thus, placing that unconvicted person into automatic suspicion
artiz said:
... I remember gun fights with police, omg, they shoot old people in the middle of the street for no reason, they have to empty their weapon to hit the target, they are ridicoulous... I am most likely to get the bullet than the bad guy, that's as stupid as police here is.
Darwinian question, Sir:
Which appeared first? The chicken or the egg?
Which was established first? The Montreal Police or the Police Academy?

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/482100/police_academy/
 
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The only times I have been out of country are when I was too young to carry, or when I was carrying for the Army. I do not go to Canada because of their laws though.

As others have said, in the US, I do actively avoid infringing areas. NY, CA and IL are on my own "do not go" list. And I would really like to visit cities like NCY, Chicago, and San Diego. I've never really been to a super big city like that, other than Detroit, and the doesn't really count. But if they don't want me to be able to defend myself or have Rights, my tourist dollars will go elsewhere.
 
I don't believe it's always a power trip that countries ban guns. Sometimes (Japan for instance) I think gun bans are well intended by naive governments.

Looking at the gun laws of different countries, you'll find that most often countries allow citizens to own guns provided they meet certain requirements. If you were to look at gun laws WITHOUT taking the balance of power in to account, then many of the gun laws around the world actually make sense. Likewise, the whole idea of guns playing a critical role in the balance of power between citizen and state is not well known and understood in many developed countries which makes their gun laws understandable.

However, you should also keep in mind the influences on the governments to ban weapons. Just because one government may be naive, that doesn't mean that they are not being influenced by a larger government body (like the UN) who knows better.
 
I have to say it sounds very strange to me that some people would opt not to go to countries that don`t allow you to carry arms.
Even though it is a personal choice I can`t really think of any reasons why one would feel a need to carry for example in many countries in Europe, no need for it really.

Some more unsafe districts of certain towns etc, sure but then yet again there ain`t really a problem finding out what places to avoid before ordering a ticket.

I`m pretty sure if I would live in the US I would both own weapons and carry them, but it wouldn`t stop me from going other places where I couldn`t.
 
Normally, I just shrug and laugh off that caliber of internet ignorance when I encounter it, but this being The High Road and all, I find that level of stupidity hard to walk away from as it panders to the typical idiotic stereotype of paranoid, hate-mongering gun owners that makes all of us look bad and adds fuel to the fire of the anti gun movement.

Success! More proof that smilies are ineffective weapons against a firmly planted chip on the shoulder.

Party on, TB. Or, whatever.
 
Congratulations. You successfully demonstrated that paranoid xenophobia leads one to illogical conclusions like deciding that a foreigner responding to an undisguised insult somehow points to a chip on the shoulder syndrome. We are all saddled with our preconceptions, though, so while you pleasure yourself with your assumptions about me, I'll just assume your condition is the result of degenerative inbreeding.
 
Here's the important issue:

Do you buy imported cheese from countries that doen't support the RKBA?

This is very important. Switzerland, a relatively gun friendly country but with increasing restrictions, makes one of my favorities - Appenzeller.

However, the UK with terrible gun laws produces the best cheddars and Stilton.

What do?
 
I carry in the US largely due to the risk evaluation I've done which says the inconvenience of carrying is worth it due to the risk I have of needing it. Quite frankly, in most of the places I've travelled to abroad, particularly resorts, I wouldn't carry there even if I could. Let's face it, carrying is less comfortable than not carrying.
 
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