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Do you crimp rifle rounds....?

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by D. Manley, Dec 23, 2008.

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Do you crimp rifle rounds?

Poll closed Dec 30, 2008.
  1. Always

    22 vote(s)
    26.5%
  2. Never

    14 vote(s)
    16.9%
  3. Depends on Caliber

    22 vote(s)
    26.5%
  4. Depends on Magazine (tubular fed, other)

    25 vote(s)
    30.1%
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  1. D. Manley

    D. Manley Member

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    I've seen this argued for well, forever but thought it might be interesting to see what the numbers say. Do you crimp your rifle rounds?:

    1. Always

    2. Never

    3. Depends on Caliber

    4. Depends on Magazine (tubular type or other)
     
  2. Uncle Chan

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    Every round, every caliber. Lee factory crimp die.
     
  3. glockster157

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    In my varmint rigs I will seat the bullet out to the rifling and no crimp. In my autos, AR's, I will even resize with a undersized neck expander and use a lee factory crimp die to stand up to the slam bang of the feeding. In my auto pistols I will use a good taper crimp and revolvers a good roll crimp. In my lever guns I usually use a very strong crimp depending on the bullet style and caliber as some do better rolled and some taper crimped in the cannalure. It also depends if it is a single shot, I have a lot of Ruger #1's, verses mymagazined weapons. So I could say yes to all the above.
     
  4. ArchAngelCD

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    Yes but only with Lee Factory Crimp Dies.
     
  5. NuJudge

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    The last time I did was for some hunting ammo before a trip to Alaska. I really did not want those bullets to move at all.

    I probably would if I was loading for Lever Actions. I never do for Semi-Autos, and with the above exception never for Bolt Actions.
     
  6. 243winxb

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    A crimp is needed when using something like a 458 so the bullet doesn't move forward on recoil. IMO most all rifle rounds do not need a crimp. 223, 243,308,30-30 , 7mm, 30's The correct dies and expander ball hold the bullet in the case just fine for semi, full, bolt, lever,pumps.
     
  7. Walkalong

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    Just depends.

    I crimp all pistol ammo with conventional roll and taper crimp dies.

    I crimp all my .223, except when loading for accuracy. Again, conventional roll and taper crimp dies.

    .22 hornet, .222, .222 Mag? No crimp. I am loading for accuracy.

    .308, same as .223.

    30/30? Have not loaded it yet, but I believe I am going to take The Bushmasters advise, and try a Lee FCD die for it. He swears by it for 30/30.

    That's sad, not enough rifle calibers right now. I must fix that. At least get another 6.5 X 55.......
     
  8. The Bushmaster

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    Only rifle round that I own that gets crimped is .30 WCF...

    Walkalong...I thought that all Midwest and Southern boys had a .30-30 or two...
     
  9. armoredman

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    FCD, except 25-06...don't have an FCD yet.
     
  10. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    Only for tube magazines and AR-15 SHTF ammo.

    I don't have any elephant rifles, but I would crimp those too.

    It is unnecessary for common bolt action calibers, and only shortens the life of the brass.

    rcmodel
     
  11. rscalzo

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    Depending on use. Match loads using Sierra Matchkings, No. Standard practice loads using fmj, yes.
     
  12. lgbloader

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    I have a couple and I really like to crimp these as well.

    That pretty much sums it up.

    LGB
     
  13. helz_mcfugly

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    does that Lee factory roll crimp die for .223 shorten the life of brass? My friend got one, and was trying to get me to get one, and uses it alot now, Im sure he would be interested to know if he is shortening the life of his brass especially if hes using lapua.
     
  14. Steve in PA

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    Nope, no crimp.
     
  15. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    The Lee FCD is not actually a roll crimp, or a taper crimp either.

    It uses a slit-collet insert in the die that squeezes the mouth of the case into the bullet cannelure.

    That leaves a compressed ring at the mouth of the case with four little marks where the collet slits are.

    It is working the brass more, because the marks don't completely iron out when you shoot them.
    I believe it most certainly sets up a stress fracture point at each collet slit mark.
    But I haven't reloaded enough of them yet to find out if neck cracks eventually develop there.

    rcmodel
     
  16. Walkalong

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    I had one years ago before I reloaded, and bought another a few months back, but have not loaded for it just yet. Not long though. I had a .44 mag Winchester 94 for the years in between. My older son talked me out of the .44. :)

    I have used a Lee collet sizer in .222 Mag years ago, and it worked well, but the brass seemed to work harden faster than with conventional methods. It does work the brass more. It works like the collet crimper, but with a mandrel to squeeze against instead of a a seated bullet.

    I switched to a Forster sizer. Good stuff.
     
  17. Uncle Chan

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    My LFCD does no such thing. I've no marks whatsoever on the case or case mouth. I get a gentle taper crimp, or so it would seem. The tighter the crimp, the more I compress the case and bulge/buckle the shoulder.
     
  18. ny32182

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    In my experience the Lee FCD operates exactly as rcmodel states....

    Each time you use it though, the chances that the slits are going to fall on the exact same spot on the case mouth is slim... therefore you are not stressing the exact same spots on the case mouth on each loading. Do the mouths get a little rough after a few trips through the FCD? Yes. Do I worry about it reducing the life of the brass? A little. Normally I will start using brass for loads that I am going to crimp with the FCD about halfway though what I consider their usable life (5 or 6 total reloads in .223; I'll start crimping them on load #3 or 4 depending on what I have available.)

    As far as what loads I crimp... if the bullet has a cannelure that lines up with the case mouth, I crimp. If it doesn't, I don't. So far I load only for mag fed semiauto rifles.
     
  19. Idano

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    I never crimp 22 cal but I do 30 cal.

    • .223 - no :: Custom AR15
    • 22-250 - no :: Remington 700
    • 30-06 -yes ::Winchester M70
     
  20. Rollis R. Karvellis

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    +1 on this method.
     
  21. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    Sounds to me like the collet is seized up in the die body then.

    If the Lee FCD is working as designed, there is no stress put on the case at all, and no way to crumple the shoulder.

    The collet contacts the shell holder, and the crimp is applied by it as the shell holder pushes it into the die and the fingers close up.

    Check your FCD, and see if the collet is free to move back & forth.

    It it isn't, take the die apart, clean it, and lube the collet with dry-slide so it can move freely.

    rcmodel
     
  22. The Bushmaster

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    Re-adjust the die or clean it out and fix it. You definitley have something wrong there.

    rcmodel...I just checked a bunch of my .30-30 rounds that I loaded about a month ago using the Lee FCD. Evidently I have it adjusted so it does not leave any vertical marks in the crimp. I have a completely round and smooth crimp...
     
  23. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    Hmmm?

    I've only got the one in .223, but you can see them on my loaded rounds.

    Maybe they cut my collet with a dull saw blade?

    rcmodel
     
  24. ny32182

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    I have them in .223 and .308; both operate in the same fashion.
     
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    Exactly so, for the following chamberings:

    223
    25-06
    6.8SPC
    270
    7mm08
    30/30
    308
    30-06
    7.62x39
    35 Remington
    444
     
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