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Do You find this OFFENSIVE?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Werewolf, Oct 23, 2005.

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  1. Werewolf

    Werewolf Member

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    I am a member of the NRA and subscribe to both America's First Freedom and American Rifleman. I'm not a huge fan of commercials on TV nor ads in magazines and pretty much ignore them.

    Unfortunately an ad in AFF on page 11 caught my eye. :what:

    The ad follows Wayne LaPierre's monthly diatribe and the bold sentence top right meant to catch your eye states:
    At first glance I thought this was a follow on to Mr LaPierre's article.

    NOT! :cuss:

    The sorry SOB was begging for people to put the NRA in their wills. I found this to be really tacky and terribly, terribly offensive! :fire:

    Come on! If a member feels strongly about the RKBA and the NRA the thought would probably occur to them to leave a bequest to the organization. To beg folks to do so is just wrong. :mad:

    If the shoe was on the other foot like this:
    and that was a lead in to asking Wayne to leave me something in his will...

    Not quite the same but it would be just as tacky and offensive.

    In the mid 80's I worked for a TV station in OKC. Part of the reason I moved on was I just couldn't deal with the smarmy, no morals, plastic people scum bags that ran the advertising and marketing groups. Now I find that the NRA is run by the same kind of scum.

    Am I alone in this feeling? Am I wrong to feel this way?
     
  2. Cacique500

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    I don't think it's such a bad thing. You hear all the time about people leaving millions to their cats or dogs or parakeets. :rolleyes:

    For those that don't have any children or other close family to leave it to, why not? They won't be first on my list, but since we don't have any children it's certainly something to consider. Much better than letting the .gov have it!
     
  3. Lupinus

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    Im not a member at the moment but from my understanding they beg for money alot as it is no?
     
  4. repsychler

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    I don't have a problem with it either. I think its a good way to help leave a better world for your children, and I don't think its bad that the NRA reminds people that leaving them a gift is an option they have. (I wouldn't have necessarily thought about it, but I'm interested in doing so)
    Now NRA's money grubbing in general is pretty shameless, but I have no specific problem with them asking for a piece of your estate.
     
  5. Old Fuff

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    Maybe the method was tacky – I don’t know because I haven’t seen the advertisement (or appeal as the case may be). But we all need to consider that many folks, including a good number of members on this forum, are very demanding in their opinions about what the NRA should or could do.

    That’s all very nice, but “doing” often requires a lot of money. It’s bucks that make things happen, not gab. The only way I know the association can get money is through various appeals to its members and others. I personally would like to leave them a million dollars, but that’s not likely to happen. Never the less I won’t get mad for they’re asking.
     
  6. shaldag

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    A number of charities and political organizations make these appeals. I guess it's a pretty wide practice. Why not the NRA?
     
  7. hillbilly

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    Werewolf, if that offends you, then you best not ever, ever, ever read any alumni publication put out by any college, university, community college, or any other institute of higher education.

    Getting rich old people to give endowments to colleges and universities through their wills is a very, very old fundraising technique.

    In fact, if you do a little research, you'll see that's how lots and lots of colleges got started.


    Here's one more example.

    Ever hear of a little old museum called "The Smithsonian?"

    That obscure museum was started when one John Smithson of England left his entire forturne to be used for the benefit of the American people....even though he'd never been to America.

    But the technique of urging giving through wills is a long-standing, often-used fund raising technique that shows up in any sort of organized giving.

    hillbilly
     
  8. Werewolf

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    Actually I trash everything I get in the mail from OU without even opening it and hangup on telephone beggars within the 1st 10 seconds or so.

    Honestly begging folks to put them in their wills - jeeeez - I've been all around the world - literally - more than once and to more and varied places than probably 95% of the US population and this is the first I've heard of the practice.

    Wonder what kind of a response I'd get if I paid for an ad in a newspaper or magazine asking folks to put me in their will just because I'm a nice guy and served my country when I didn't have to. Nah.... even the idea gives me the shivers. Some things just shouldn't be done but then I've never been accused of being a mainstream kind'a guy. ;)
     
  9. eagle45

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    I really don't find it offensive at all, just a part of estate planning and something to consider when doing that. That does not mean I would take the suggestion but I'm not offended at all by it. Just from the general tone of your message though Werewolf, it doesn't sound like you are glad that you are a member. There are lots of other ways to support RKBA and gun ownership.:)
     
  10. antsi

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    They do a lot of fund raising. Lobbying and legal and political action are expensive. In order to be an effective gun rights organization, the NRA needs to do a lot of fund raising. I do not have a problem with that.
     
  11. TexasRifleman

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    You apparantly have not been a member very long. The NRA has had a foundation for folks to include in their wills for many many years, as do lots of other organizations.

    Sounds like you just woke up on the wrong side of the bed.

    Basically, lots of people want to include NRA or whatever group in their wills, but these groups need to have that information so they know to ask for it.

    If you happen to have a will contested, and your wish is that NRA or whoever get some money, if they don't know you put them in the thing they won't know to participate in the will probate.

    Lighten up.
     
  12. SomeKid

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    Werewolf, I have actually heard of people doing that. Advertisements asking for people to place them (the writer of the ad) in their wills. Supposedly, it works.

    As for leaving the NRA money, if I give money, GOA gets first dibs. So sick of these little compromising losers...
     
  13. mec

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    "Werewolf, if that offends you, then you best not ever, ever, ever read any alumni ...."

    When I saw the first post, I immediately thought of Baylor University. They do the same exact thing. They are shameless and inventive about extracting money from all and sundry and make Wayne LaPerrier look like Moshe ben Maimon by comparison.
     
  14. bdhawk

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    the n.r.a. needs money, lots of it, to do what they do. they have their faults, but, if not for the n.r.a., we would probabally be crocheting instead of shootin' for a hobby.

    like others said. wills and endowments are just another trendy way to raise money. i saw the add, and it did not trouble me at all. the Y.M.C.A. has been doing it for years.

    i am not in the demographic they are targeting. when i die, they will probabally have trouble scraping enough money together to bury me.
     
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    Do I find it offensive? No.
     
  16. R.H. Lee

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    I thought it a little odd, but certainly not 'offensive'. Some people can afford to be philanthropic, others are just struggling into retirement, let alone having enough left over for their own heirs.
     
  17. Johnny_Yuma

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    Offensive???

    Let's get the facts straight, first. The ad you saw was not for the NRA but instead the NRA Foundation, a charitable organization created by the NRA. The Foundation has been doing this for years. The Foundation supports youth education, hunter education, shooting sports, conservation, and other issues championed by the Association. The "sorry SOB" is trying to garner financial support for these activities. You think that's a bad thing?

    I give up more than a few personal purchases each year and instead give the money to the NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund, NRA Institute for Legislative Action, and the NRA Foundation. I do it because I would rather see the money spent at those places than on dine-out meals, NFL and NBA games, and fancy clothes. When I die, some of my money will go to the NRA Foundation and the NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund. You decide your own level of involvement.

    For those who care to read about it before trashing it: www.nrafoundation.org
     
  18. Infidel

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    Offensive?

    No, I don't find it offensive.

    I do find Wayne LaPierre somewhat offensive. He seems to be completely and totally dedicated to his own aggrandisement and empire building, to the detriment of the NRA in general and its soi-disant role as champion of the 2nd Amendment.
     
  19. Majic

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    Reading the quote you posted I only see somone making a statement about what they did. There is nothing to suggest that someone else should follows suit. Is there more that you didn't post or are you really upset over just what you posted?
     
  20. Standing Wolf

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    Offensive? Tacky?

    No, not at all. After I've gone to that great shooting range in the sky, everything I own is to be divided between the G.O.A. and the N.R.A. I.L.A.
     
  21. Kim

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    No not offensive. Have you ever checked out all the leftist Foundations-Ford ,Hewitt Packard, Heinz,Joyce etc. Where in heck do you think these Foundatins got their hundreds of millions of dollars ---not from a tree. Money makes things happen. Money is just another way that you have a part in getting things done. It is a way a like minded group of citizens can affect government. I think it is wonderful. It is a way for you to keep up the fight after you are dead.
     
  22. M2 Carbine

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    As has been pointed out this is a common money raising tactic of organizations from colleges to animal shelters.

    Simply give them money or don't.

    It's nothing to get upset about.
     
  23. Werewolf

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    1st off - I do support the NRA and have donated to the ILA portion of it.
    I don't believe soliciting funds is a bad thing . For many organizations it is a necessary part of their ability to do the work they are set up to do.

    On the other hand I do believe that soliciting people to put their organization in their will is indeed in very bad taste. AND using the President of the organization as a schill for it is even worse.

    It seems though that I am alone in that belief. :) I can live with that. It will not be the first time.

    I wonder if it was normal 100 years ago or so for organizations to ask people for money when they die?
     
  24. Mannlicher

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    I don't find it offensive, and yes, I think you are over reacting. well, you did ask :)
     
  25. Kamicosmos

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    My plan is to donate all my guns to the NRA when I pass, unless I ever have children, which right now, I don't plan on doing.

    I don't find the ad offensive. And it's been in every single issue of First Freedom I have recieved over the past 3 years, so dunno why you just now noticed and got 'offended' by it.

    And yes, many many organizations asked people to put them in their wills. Almost all buildings on college campuses are named after people that donated money to the institution in thier wills. Many business buildings are also named after people who left money or land in thier wills. Street names, entire freaking towns!

    And since you mention travelling the world, I am extremely surprised that this is news to you! Europe as a whole is built on vast family fortunes! Did you know that most of the Louve is the Napoleon family mansion? I wonder if they left that to France via thier wills? Hmmmm.
     
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