Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by The Exile, May 1, 2015.
AMEN to that. Feel free to swing by anytime you're in the NW
Winner, winner, chicken dinner..............
Used guns are different. The profit margin is much higher in most cases and they can usually negotiate. A lot depends on exactly how much they have in it. Sometimes a dealer will make a mistake and allow someone more than they should on a trade and they may not have a lot of room on that particular gun. Other times they may have a used gun priced at $500 when they only have $200 invested in it.
There was a custom 338-06 with a Zeiss Diavari scope on it that sat in a local store for 5-6 years priced at $2100. I asked about buying just the scope. The store owner looked at his books and offered me everything for $1000. He was tired of looking at it. I left $200 cash and brought back $800 the next day.
He went back and talked to owner who I'd gotten to know well, who came out and thanked me for my buisiness and gave a significant discount. Been that way since. I get better than I would ask for.
I feel pretty fortunate and even if I can find something cheaper I still buy from him.
I am not against haggling, I'm just sharing my experience, and bragging a little.
Does Cabela's negotiate on used guns? I see a lot of ads on Guns International from Cabela's stores, they're usually crazy overpriced by at least 40%. There's one near me but I've never found a used gun there that was interesting enough for me to ask...
My last purchase was a 30-30 Super 14 Contender used.
It had a good price to begin with, but I always ask.
Is there a repeat customer price?
Well I saved tax and background check
OTD was $390.
My wife was happy with her birthday gift too.
Now for a scope.
Sometimes I am just wanting to see if a dealer really, cares about a customer. Many could care less.
That right there has killed more than one deal for me in my lifetime. Like the time a used car salesman tried to get my wife to take his side against me. I was 10 seconds from saying yes. I went down the street and bought another car that day. That guy deliberately tried to drive a wedge between me and the wife thinking it would make me cave. After all men are all stupid. Just watch tv. They will tell you that over and over.
Then there was the stereo salesman who's boss was standing behind me coaching him on how to make me mad. I nearly launched the both of them out a window but I left them to live with themselves. That's punishment enough for anyone.
It's happened with guns too. My BIL tried to sell me a 1911 for $400 over what it should have cost. He clearly had a personal problem. I went across the bridge and bought my Sig P220 the same day. Heck I offered him more than it was worth for that Colt 1911. But he clearly just wanted to tick me off as if I couldn't find another 1911 in the world. He sold the same gun a month later for $200 less than I offered him. I chalk that one up to the powers of alcoholism.
Now if a dealer is trying to get say $200, over the real going price for a some what hard to find firearm, I think they are trying to rob people.
I didn't just throw a number on the wall to see what sticks.
If one has been loyal enough to make it reasonable due to volume, they might get some leeway if I feel it is mutually beneficial.
Wonder how many hourly employees would think it OK if their pay was negotiable depending on my mood and the day.
Some don't understand that others don't inflate the price to be greedy, much calculation has gone into staying afloat.
I'm not an FFL, but a veterinarian, who everyone also thinks is getting rich.
Why not? As someone earlier mentioned, it never hurts to ask. I've done it a couple times in a grocery store on items that were at the expiration date. People would be amazed at what they can get if they simply ask.
So you'd rather a patron just go somewhere else than to come in and make an attempt to buy something? You "don't try to beat any retailer out of their livelihood" but instead you won't even give them a chance if their list price is too high? How is that any different? As a small business owner, I'll take a reasonable patron trying to haggle over no patron at all.
So, you don't bargain with customers, and then you refuse to do business with them because of it? I'm glad you do well enough as to let you be so persnickety, but most business owners can't afford that.
I understand the frustration and time wasted with a customer that is being un-realistic with their bargaining, but when dealing with a reasonable person, a sale at a lower profit margin is better than no sale at all.
Often the people wanting more make more than me. For example, an MD asked this veterinarian for a break, and acted like I was crazy when I told him my annual out of frustration. I told him to find a vet he trusted, and then he begged to stay. So, "All they can do is say no," is different if you want what they have.
Not everyone prices services/items the same way. Many retailers price items with the intention of bargaining. Some use just 'gut' feelings. As we don't know which retailers expect haggling and which don't, it behooves the customer to at least try. My money is just as hard earned as a retailer's so why should I throw in extra dollars if I don't need to?
So you do haggle.
Apples and oranges. We're talking about a customer/retailer relationship, not an employee/employer relationship.
Absolutely. And many retailers calculate their prices based on potential haggling. Again, as customers, we won't know which ones do what until we ask.
It also alienated other valuable customers, which is why I haven't in 5 years.
Very true. Not every type of business is set up for haggling/discounts. Didn't mean to imply that every retailer should haggle, just that they should expect people to try.
Wanting a good deal isn't limited based on income. Even rich people look for deals (matter of fact, most self made 'rich' people got that way because they weren't frivolous with their money). I completely understand the frustrations associated with customers always trying to get a deal and that can be even greater in an industry that is not typically known for haggling. That being said, it is also very frustrating for a customer when they're not sure if they're getting the best value for their hard earned money.
And I completely respect that strategy. If I went into a store and was told that they don't haggle because it's unfair to other customers that don't, I would have a great deal of respect for the owner.
In the words of Charlie Daniels, I'm a simple man.
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