Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by WrongHanded, Jun 21, 2022.
You may want to rethink that AR pistol unless you're going to use ear protection. Have you ever fired a 16 inch AR outside without ear protection? My hearing is bad and my hunting rifles(30-06) don't bother me without ear protection. I fired my AR once without it and I'll never do it again and a 10 inch pistol barrel fired indoors would be twice as bad.
Yes I have. I have permanent hearing loss and tinnitus from using 14.5" M4s indoors. I don't want my hearing to get much worse so I will be getting a can for it.
I do, a old riot 12 gauge. Just bought a new 500 too.
I think a handgun is easier to keep close to your body where it's not going to get caught on furniture or walls or countertops or whatever.
I think the mystique of the pump shotgun where people believe that racking the the gun will result in miscreants immediately fleeing is probably not the case.
I think if you want a long gun for self-defense in the home, a pistol caliber carbine is probably a better option.
However, I'm pretty sure that a couple of rounds of just about any shotgun at home defense ranges will likely result in a big hurt being put on someone bent on harming you.
Over the years I have become convinced it will sit tight unless scenario happens where we literally hear glass breaking downstairs. That way our family can be gathered as we call 9-1-1 and we "wait it out" upstairs.
Concur with others who mentioned confines of a home. Shotgun is ideal if whole family is safely barricaded in a nice closed room. Pistol is easier for transitional areas between residence, barn, garage, and property when no problem currently exists yet is conveniently ready to go if something arises.
God forbid should any of those fail ,None of you want to know what else is available I'd allow you to interview some of our local raccoons
however at the moment , there AREN'T any !. They unfortunately incurred the wrath of the Wife one late evening some weeks back and She wasn't happy being woken from beauty sleep apparently . For those of you who don't know about Women's Scorn , Hell ,Fury and Wrath ; LOOK IT UP and I can attest Love has NOTHING to do with any of it . She had simply had enough of their mess making and RECTIFIED IT !.
I'm only on duty should two legged critters lurk about , including political morons ,bears ,Zombies, Crocodiles , charging Rhino's or Cape Buffalo should stampede ; Otherwise Live and let live is MY Motto
I have an XL900 as well.
I've thought about putting it in my HD lineup but have a couple of Mossberg 500's; one 12ga in dedicated HD format and one 20ga that wears an 18.5" bbl.
I have a 30" full choke, 28" modified and a 24" cylinder bore with rifle sights for my Ithaca.
Need to load it up with some 00 or #4 buck and take it out to see how it does.
Problem is, if I would ever have to use it in a self defense scenario, I don't want to lose it to an evidence locker, possibly forever.
Yea, at home defense ranges (20 or 30’), doesn’t really matter too much what size shot your shooting, it will do the job !
Your instructor did you a vast disservice. I say, being in the industry myself as a trainer. A 9mm fired at a 45ish degree angle can be deadly for about 2400 yards based off what Google tells me. Which is why we strongly discouraged "celebratory fire" when overseas ie firing into the air for holidays/celebrations. While self defense is (legally) limited to short range threats such as an intruder say within 50 yards, the weapon is unlikely to play a role. Can you shoot 50 yards with buckshot? I can, most others can. Rifle? Easy. Handgun, tougher but doable. But a 12ga is harder for others in the family who may not be as well versed in firearms. My personal philosophy that I share as being a trainer is: HD weapons should be easy to use by anyone capable. The Mrs who has had a few classes, maybe a teenager who has played a few video games to gain interest and done instruction with a parent. A shotgun will recoil harder than an AR. Doesn't matter what kind of ammo you use. Just does. A bad guy in your house or lawn dead within 50 yards is going to be just as dead whether you shot them with a pistol, shotgun, or AR. What matters is how good you are with each. And when it comes picking a weapon for HD, there are criteria to consider such as recoil, accuracy, capacity, and a few dozen others.
Here is John Lovell doing a similar breakdown of pistol vs shotgun vs AR.
As a trainer, when I do consults, I want to see what my student can do. If they handle a handgun well, I can develop that. If AR, same thing. Shotgun (rare but does happen) same thing. I don't have as many first time gun buyers any more. A lot of my business comes from referral. New shooter, buys a gun, needs help being familiar. That is where I see most work lately. New shooters just don't do well with a shotgun. Between the recoil, pump manipulation (like short-stroking), safeties in different spots etc. I have seen new shooters get a shotgun based on bad advice and nearly give up owning firearms altogether because of recoil and poor hits at a range. But get an AR or a comfortable pistol, and all the results and attitudes change.
Now, I am not saying a shotgun is the worst choice. Or even a bad one. It just has limitations based on the advice I can and do give. There is bad advice out there that a shotgun is the best at home defense because you just point it in the direction and fire. Or just fire two blasts in the air...
The TLDR version is this. The choice of HD weapon between an AR pistol, handgun, or shotgun is not about range. Its about the criteria John talks about: recoil, handling etc. Your choice of firearm pick should be way down the list anyway. Teach and practice with your family. If the door gets kicked in or a window gets shattered from outside...do "this". Whatever your plan is. I recommend consolidate your family into a safe location, defend with a thought out HD weapon, and call 911. A trainer will impart knowledge on someone based off their own biases. A good trainer will take your strengths and make them better
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