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Do you like the Tokarev or CZ-52 better?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by 000Buck, Mar 16, 2007.

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Which 7.62x25 pistol is better?

  1. Tokarev

    44 vote(s)
    37.0%
  2. CZ-52

    69 vote(s)
    58.0%
  3. Neither, 7.62x25 is horrible

    6 vote(s)
    5.0%
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  1. 000Buck

    000Buck Member

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    Which 7.62x25 pistol do you like better and why? My recent 7.62x25 ocd has prompted me to post my first poll. Thanks
     
  2. Travis McGee

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    CZ by a mile. My old Toke didn't even have a safety. If you had a round chambered, the rear of the firing pin protruded, with the front of the pin resting on the primer. Drop that gun, it's gonna go off. Very unsafe pistol IMO, as opposed to the CZ which to me is a darn good pistol for about $200. As far as the round, it's a hot little smoker with great penetration.
     
  3. Claude Clay

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    cz 52

    Love mine & have a 9mm bbl for it also..... in 7.62 it shoots to point of aim at 100 yards, the 8" steel plate gets hit 6 out of 8 easy. That said, be REAL careful using the de-cocker. I knew about the potential for it to fire itself & in less than a thousand rounds, mine has twice. Safely, both times in the dirt 10 feet in front of me. DO NOT de-cock on a live round. These 50+ year old guns are not ment for carry. But they sure are fun to play w/. Shoot at dusk & the flame w/ the older ( unfortunatly corrosive) ammo is incredable. As is the bigga bang .
     
  4. Big Gay Al

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    As long as you do it carefully, there's no reason to not use the de-cocker. I do, but I also have my thumb on the hammer, and I let it down slowly.

    But maybe that's just me?
     
  5. GW

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    CZ-52
    Its just a better gun..
     
  6. ZeSpectre

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    If somebody updated the CZ-52 design, and by update I mean an ambi-safety, a better mag release, and a decocker you could trust, I bet they'd sell like hotcakes!
     
  7. atblis

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    When you read my following sentiments, don't think that I totally hate them. At $89.99 they were an awesome deal, and despite all the shortcomings are amusing. Just don't kid yourself, and make them into something they are not.

    The Tokarev is a better pistol, but unfortunately relatively rare and more expensive.

    I must be alone in thinking the CZ52 is a total POS. I've never had so many things break on a single pistol. I also question how safe they are to shoot, but I haven't heard of too many KBs.

    1 The trigger sucks
    2 The safety/decocker thingy is in an awkward location. I can't fire more than a couple shots without partially engaging it.
    3 The decocker has a bad habit of doing more than simply decocking.
    4 The magazines are crappy. I have many of them, and they do lovely things like spontaneously dissassemble themselves.
    5 The sights are way too small.
    6 They eat firing pins like candy.
    7 Supposing something does go wrong, they are on the short list of pistols that will fail catastrophically before the brass gives. They are not strong.
    8 They're ugly. (subjective I suppose)
    9 Shoot em enough and usually the frame starts to crumble.

    The metallurgy is pretty bad. Some things are much too brittle (and I don't mean just the firing pins). The design isn't too horrible, I think it is the inconsistent metallurgy that does this pistol in.

    7.62x25 is a very very fun round, but the CZ52 is probably the suckiest pistol I've ever owned (well actually the RG10 is but...).

    Anybody wonder why Accurate Arms downloaded the 7.62x25 data?

    I know, I know. You have one, and it has been a fantastic pistol and I am just making stuff up. Don't let me keep you from shooting/buying them. Just for the love of god wear safety glasses and don't pay too much!
     
  8. telecaster1981

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    Maybe you need a PPSH-41!!! Come to think of it...SO DO I!!!

    I think I'd try to lay hands on both the Tok and the CZ. My CZ52 has been great (well, I've worked on it a bit) but we'll see how long that lasts I guess. Seems like people either love them or hate them. The local gun shop has some sort of TT-33 type pistol (interarms?) for less than $200...and I'm thinking REALLY hard about it!
     
  9. atblis

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    Yes

    A PPSH I would like. That is probably at the top of my list of subguns I wish I had (Forget the MP5).

    I think there are some real inconsistency in the metallurgy. Some of the 52s seem to be decent, others...
     
  10. 000Buck

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    I would love to have a PPSH semiauto if someone made a good one. Military Gun Supply is supposedly coming out with one but it could be :barf: I am not sure who is making it for them or where they are getting the receivers.

    I am suprised by the results so far. I thought the Tokarev would have gotten more votes seeing as it is more pleasing to the eye for most people and doesnt have the firing pin problem or anything like that as far as I know. They have both been good guns for me. I didnt know about the metal problems on some of the CZs, thats good to know.
     
  11. Big Gay Al

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    As one friend of mine describes the basic CZ, they're so ugly, you love them.

    As for the firing pin problem, you can get a much better made firing pin through Makarov.com. Or at least you could.

    Yes, the sights are small, but they can be replace too. IF you really want to.
     
  12. Dave Markowitz

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    I prefer the feel of the CZ-52. The Tok has all the ergonomics of a carpenter's square.
     
  13. old_ironsights

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    The Tokarev seems to have done just fine by numerous Eastern Bloc and various Asian countries, eh, since 1930? Light, thin and ultimately rugged, reliable and - for modern western shooters - ultimately concealable.

    The 52 was a late-comer in 1952, only in Czechoslovakia and then re-called in 1982. Thicker, heavier and much more mechanically complicated than a Tok.



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  14. BADUNAME13

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    Have both, like both, like the Tok. better.
    -A Browning Rip off...
     
  15. AndyC

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    Tokarev, any day.
     
  16. RON in PA

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    Tokarev is superior IMHO. I find the CZ-52 to be more violent in action, prone to trigger slap, prone to having pins work their way out and having magazines that don't activate the slide hold-open. These faults observed on two CZ-52s. I am of the opinion that the CZ-52 exists only as a Czech way of thumbing their noses at the Soviets and expressing national pride. The Tokarev has better sights and is more comfortable to shoot in my experience. The grip angle is all wrong, but I notice that if shot two-handed you don't notice this. It's really hard to beat a Browning design derivation.
     
  17. nathan

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    I voted TT33. I have two Cz 52s and one Norinco 54 -1 all in tok caliber. I like both designs but I shoot pretty good one handed using the norc 54. Its slim and fast handling and i can empty a full mag on a target 7 yds with very tight groups. 10 - 15 yds two handed hold weaver stand is also very easy. I will use the norc as my car gun loaded with FNM brand Hollow points.
    You should get the Romanian tt 33s right now bec thay are in excellent condition . BTW the triggers on these are quite light and crisp after few hundred rounds, be extra careful like any gun. Always condition self not to get trigger inside trigger guard once gun is drawn but only when target is in sight.
    Oh the recoil is nothing but like 9 mm in steroids AKA .357 sig.
     
  18. Mortech

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    I much prefer my TT-33 over the CZ-52 , it ranks right up there with my Ruger as my favorite fun to plink with pistol .
     
  19. tinygnat219

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    CZ-52 all the way. Haven't fired the Tokarev TT33 yet, it's on the way. I like the CZ-52. It's a great design, accurate, and SWEET shooting pistol. Besides, where else can you take on an attacker in front of you and to the side of you? Mine throws the brass out with such force, it would probably knock someone out trying to "flank" you on the right.

    Seriously, why won't any manufacturer make a "modern" polymer pistol for this round? It would sell unbeleivably well!
     
  20. atblis

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    Yeah

    I'd buy a modern pistol chambered in it. Something like a Witness would be awesom. 18 rounds of that.

    However, I suspect the manufacturers don't want to touch it because of the corrosive surplus ammo of questionable quality floating around.
     
  21. ZeSpectre

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    oh man, 18 rounds of 7.62x25 in a polymer frame...drooooolllll :)
     
  22. plexreticle

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    I like the CZ52 better as a shooter.
     
  23. karlsgunbunker

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    I like my CZ-52, but I LOVE my Toks

    My CZ-52
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    Polish TT-33
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    Romy One
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    Romy Two
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  24. VA27

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    The Tok is on my "next to get" list.
     
  25. nathan

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    Word in the milsurp community says, more of the Romanian Tokarevs are coming in country. It appears they have a whole arsenal of these, the fact is their police are issued with such weapon. That means they trust the power of the Tok round.
    For a CCW holder the TT 33 or Cz 2 is just perfect for a car gun, cheap but pwerful. Gives a wallop of power.
     
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