Do you recognize this powder?

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  1. syhunt

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    I pulled apart some Nosler Trophy Grade 160g AB’s last night (7mm Rem Mag). Measured out at 69.8g of this. Unlikely it’s available to us common folk but curious if anyone recognizes the shape? Also would anyone advise reseating the bullet? 4BFD773E-7BEC-410B-BB77-FF49BD230FFF.jpeg

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  2. cheygriz

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    Flattened "ball" powder.
     
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  3. Fine Figure of a Man

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    It would mean nothing even if it looks just like another powder.
    I suppose you could reassemble the load. Why did you pull them to begin with?
     
  4. syhunt

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    My gun likes the Ammo so I took a stab hoping it was a powder I could get off the shelf. New to the game, I know the manufacturers typically use a proprietary product. Shoot for the stars and might hit the moon...
     
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  6. gotboostvr

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    Looks like fertilizer to me. Same as any other unknown powder.
     
  7. PecosRiverM

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    The most I'd do is:
    Look up data for that combo ~same charge weight
    Shoot both over a chrono and see if they move about the same.
     
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  8. cougar1717

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    There's no reason not to put them back together, as long as:
    1) The cartridges are from the same box / lot number
    2) You know the charge weight
    3) There is sufficient neck tension when seating
    4) You know the OAL of the factory cartridge
     
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  9. jmorris

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    Looks like a number of other powders, some of them I could ensure, while they look the same won’t have the same burn rate.
     
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    Even if some one could identify that powder, it is unlikely that one could purchase it.

    So, like @PecosRiverM said, check that charge weight against a manual for those powders that are a flattened ball powder.
    But, since they will be different than the powder the factory loads, it will only be close.

    However, it may be much better. Only one way to know with the powders we are able to get...

    I personally wouldn’t want to guess and be wrong with a Seven Mag.
    So I’ll guess either Ramshot Tac or Magnum.:)

    Magnum may be just right.
    Of course Seventy grains of Tac may automatically disassemble your rifle for cleaning.:what:

    There’s just not a good way to do it like that.
    (Even with Paul’s link, awesome as it is...:thumbup:)
     
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  11. joneb

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    I would contact Nosler with the lot number of the ammunition in question they know the powder and may point you in the correct direction.
    They sell bullets and support reloaders, so this would be my best solution to your question.
     
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    There's no reason you cannot handload ammo that would shoot just as good, using published recipes and known powder. While a chemist with the right equipment "might" be able to identify random powder, you're just as likely to get a response from the manufacturer as to what the powder and charge rate is.
     
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    Just jump in with the rest of us and collect a couple dozen pound jars of powder and boxes of bullets and endlessly second guess yourself about which of the combinations is most accurate.
     
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    Don't forget to forget to keep notes on the one load that acts like magic.
     
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    Thank you for all the responses guys. The Ramshot Magnum or Magpro wasnt on my initial purchase list, then again neither was several of the tools sitting on the bench. Might have to look into those powders as the seem to fall in the range of charge/velocity I was seeing when testing the Nosler factory ammo. I'm going to create a new post today showing results of my first load development (as in first ever). I'll be interested in you guys thoughts on how to proceed. Stay tuned.
     
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    I once attempted to duplicate a factory load for my M1A and half way into the exercise I stopped and asked myself:

    “self, why are you doing that? If you wanted factory ammo, just buy factory ammo. You didn’t invest in all this reloading paraphernalia just to make factory equivalent. Raise the bar. Start from scratch and do the load development work to make the best ammo you can make for that rifle”

    then I said to myself, “you know what self? You’re pretty damn smart.”
     
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    Ammunition companies buy unblended powder, use their pressure gauges and chronographs to determine the appropriate parameters for their cartridges. They might even order a special blend that you cannot buy, unless you have a couple of $ millions for a 90,000 lb lot.

    I recently learned from a guy whose organization ran lubrication tests and investigated motor oils. Race cars will have, for example, Mobil 1 decals on the hood, but that is not the same Mobil 1 you buy. Those oils are specially formulated for that specific car. I was told by a NASCAR expert, that a bargain basement racing team requires $30 million a year to operate. I don't know if you get fed or hot water at that price level. All teams are happy to paste any logo on their car, as long as money comes with it.
     
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  19. Bfh_auto

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    You got it wrong. Forget to keep notes so you can keep testing endlessly.;)
    OP just start with the bullet type that is used in the factory ammo. Then pick a powder that is recommended.
     
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