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Do you shoot 1000 yards?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Captcurt, Oct 3, 2012.

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  1. Cee Zee

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    I wish I had a place close by to shoot 1000 yards safely but I really don't. Actually I probably could get on top of a big hill and shoot straight down the Ohio River and keep bullets from getting away from me. I know a spot that's just about perfect but that "just about" part is enough to keep me from trying it. I'd have to carry my rifle and ammo through thick woods to get to that place too. It's overlooking a cliff that was cut out when they put a highway in. It's about a 400 foot drop from that cliff to the road below so there's not much going to run in front of me if I shot from there. And the Ohio is pretty wide where I live - about half a mile or more - so putting a round right in the middle of the river pointed straight down the river with no houses on either side of the river for a few miles would almost be good enough but you just never know when some kid might be walking the river bank. I did it myself way back when. I guess I still do sometimes. So I've never done it. It's be so hard to tell where you were hitting it woudn't be practical anyway.

    I don't believe it would be nearly as hard as some are making it out to be though. It took me about a dozen trips to the gun range to learn to shoot 500 yards. I didn't think that was bad at all. I know more problems crop up at longer distances but I figure I could learn them. As for hitting moving targets all i can say is we learned to shoot by shooting moving targets. They were called rabbits and squirrels. Plus we shot bats at times when they became a problem by nesting around the house. Shooting a moving target isn't that hard. You don't need to learn to spot right at the moment you're trying to kill something. You do that when your "practicing". That's a word all shooters need to be on a first name basis with. You can't be a good hunter without practicing. I grew up shooting clays too. That's totally about shooting moving targets from a pretty good distance. I haven't done much of that for a long time so I doubt I could do it well but I sure see plenty of people who can at the gun range. They do real well at it in fact. We have several world champion shooters from my area here. Shooting sports are big here and trap shooting is probably the biggest one. Moving targets aren't so hard they can't be hit.
     
  2. BullfrogKen

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    Cee Zee, do you live in Ohio or Pennsylvania?
     
  3. danweasel

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    Sure, and with a .308!

    Of course the target was a burned out car and according to google maps, it was more like 950 yards.

    Tell that to the dude who was on the wrong end of the world record sniper shot in Afgan. It took I think 5 shots, one of which hit the guy's ruck, to get on target. None of the Taliban even knew anything was going on...
     
  4. rugerdude

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    Not realizing bullets are coming your way is quite different when they're subsonic. There's no mistaking a supersonic crack of a round going by.

    I have shot an M40A3 (.308 rem 700 used by USMC) out to one mile (1760 yards) before with a gentleman named Todd Hoddnett. The wind is what kills you. Ballistic computers and THE PROPER OPERATION OF THEM (no, it's not just punch in barrel length and bullet weight) make elevation a breeze. I shot probably 15 rounds at a steel silhouette and hit once because the slight changes in the 1-3mph wind over time and distance kept throwing me left and right. It was not fun.

    There are not always sufficient indicators along the path of the bullet to accurately judge wind. This is where years of experience pays off.

    After that, 1,000 yards doesn't seem that far, and the right round (.300 win mag, .338, .50BMG) can really help ease the effect of environmental factors.

    I do love the fixation that many people seem to have with 1,000 yards though. With the right setup it isn't very hard. I'd be much more impressed with someone who could make consistent hits at 800 or 700 than someone who one time shot something at 1,000.
     
  5. CharlieDeltaJuliet

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    Todd Hoddnett is the man. I could not believe how his teaching methods differ, but are well worth it. I was amazed to see his techniques and results. I had no idea he was in the Magpul Art of the Precision Rifle videos, until a friend told me. I had to buy them just to loan them out to my shooter friends.. He makes 1000 yards look like 200, the way he shoots..
     
  6. BullfrogKen

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    Ain't that the truth.

    Some folks speak about shooting at 1k as if it's like losing one's virginity.


    Fact is even posting consistent Master class scores at 600 yards can be a challenge to keep up all year. But that wind at long distances makes it a real challenge.

    If all someone wants to do is do it once just to say he did it, that's no real challenge at all. Given enough rounds you'll eventually connect.


    But to do it consistently, especially in the wind. That takes skill and experience. You're right, the wind can be frustrating enough to make a nun curse.
     
  7. rugerdude

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    It's gotta be sniper school that has made 1,000 yards into such a desirable range to shoot at. I guess for SOME people it must be a sort of "Oh I hit a target out to the farthest range that snipers train to shoot at in school, I'm so awesome" type of thing.

    But then again I guess it is a quadruple digit range so that's kinda neat.

    If I recall correctly we were able to hit steel silhouettes (20"x40") at 950m with our M4A1's with some luck. Certainly not every time, but perhaps 1 in 3 (after we got dialed in with some spotter rounds as well). The A1's have heavier barrels so that may have helped and not every gun was capable of it. Either some were becoming shot out (mine actually was) or some guns were just exceptionally accurate. 1,000 is just a number people.
     
  8. Longgun

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    I used to shoot 1000 yds, with both iron sight and glass. It does require a great deal of practice and physical conditioning to be consistant. I am hoping to have the chance to attempt my hand competition once more before time completely catches up with me. I've got to imagine that a score of 200-15X is not very big news anymore.
     
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  9. allaroundhunter

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    The round that hit the Taliban soldier for that "record" shot was still supersonic.
     
  10. Howard Roark

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    Subsonic bullets make a distinctive sound too.
     
  11. USSR

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    Yeah, Simon and Garfunkle sang a song about that, "The Sound of Silence".:D I was spotting for a guy at the 1,000 yard line once, who foolishly was shooting 168SMK's which were going transonic on him. Many times, after he would shoot, the guys in the pits would not lower his target to mark his bullet hole. Reason? No sound so they never knew that he had fired at the target.

    Don
     
  12. Slamfire

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    I shoot with some awesome competitors. I was squadded in a 1000 yard match with a Wimbleton Cup winner. We were shooting prone with a sling. The Winner commented on how good internet shooters were because these guys are always able to hit a teacup at 1000 yards, whereas we are just happy to be in the 36 inch black with our first shot. We, of course, were using rifles with known zero’s with known loads at a known range.

    I am an awful 1000 yard shot. Last match I was all over the target and I don’t know why. I had shot a Master score in small bore prone the day before, so my hold should be good, but I might as well have been shooting a smoothbore based on the pattern I shot.

    I have been shooting a 1000 yard match about every quarter. It is a lot harder than 600 yards.

    I am opposed to long range “hunting” as I do not consider it humane. The probability of hitting an animal in a non vital spot is too high. Then finding it, I can’t imagine. I have shot squirrels out of trees, thirty yards away, and yet maneuvering through the trees and brambles, many times have I lost my coordinates because the woods look different from just a few yards away. Considering how much time I had to take to retrieve a few squirrels, how does anyone ever find a deer they hit from 1000 yards away?
     
  13. BLB68

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    Farthest I've shot a rifle is 500, farthest I've shot a MG is 800, but neither case would be precision shooting. Can't see that far anymore, though.
     
  14. valnar

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    Only if I completely miss, backstop and all.



    Oh you mean on purpose? No. :D
     
  15. bassdogs

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    Have zero interest in shooting to 1000 yds or for that matter anything close to that. I also have no issues with someone who wants to give it a try. My point would be that I don't have the desire, the $$$, the time, or the location to go at anything that exceeds reasonable hunting ranges. To me that means about 300 yds since my equipment, opportunity, and EYE sight limit me to that distance.

    Sniper shooting which is what I call shooting at extreme ranges, seems to excite some shooters but not me.
     
  16. brnmw

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    Yes.... I think I came within 1 mile of what I was aiming at! ;)
     
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    To date, I've never been on a range of 1000 yds. In fact I think 300 is the longest and we did not shoot to full range that day. The club where I'm a member has 200 and I do try that on most trips. Its fun but I need practice. My shooting buddy wants to try the range near Clarksville. They have 500 yds. I don't have a spotting scope for that and it will get old quick walking way out there to see what we're doing! :D I need to just stick to the 200 yd club range.It's not boreing yet.
    Mark
     
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    I havent in a while but I think I just found a place in the desert where I can get close. I was out with a friend shooting ARs and we decided to try some distance shooting from a nearby hill. Turned out to by a GPS measured 633 meters +/- 7 meters. That distance is pretty hard with a 16 inch barrel, an Aimpoint M2 and 55 grn FMJs. Also couldnt shoot prone because of where we were so we were stuck shooting from the sitting position.

    Most of my distance shooting was with machine guns. Ive shot M2s and M240s out to around 2000 yards at truck targets. Ive also shot M240s and M249s out to around 1500 yards at actual trucks. Ive shot a M16A4 DMR with an ACOG out to around 1k and a little farther using M262. I couldnt hit you first round at that distance but you wouldnt want to stand around.
     
  19. dsm

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    I shoot 1k IBS light gun with a 6mm Dasher.
     
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    I'm....building up to it.
     
  21. esheato

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    Sure do.

    In fact, here is a pic from me last week in Texas shooting on a friends private 1k range. Group was right at 6" using my Cooper 243 AI and handloaded 90 Scenar bullets. NF optics up top.

    The orange dot is 4" across for reference.

    I know, I know, some of you are going to count 7 black marks...bullet splatter knocked off some paint that was peeling up uncovering the naked steel underneath. I promise you that is a genuine 5 shot group, fired in late morning wind.

    EDIT: Oh, and that is the first time that I have touched that gun in almost a year. Handloads were made Nov/Dec of last year!

    [​IMG]
     
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  22. Captcurt

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    Thanks for the answers guys. I have never had the place to try anything over 500 and don't really have anything special to shoot. I would like to try it though.
     
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    I don't hunt anymore, so I get my rifle jollies by long range shooting. I am working my way up with my 50, to ranges beyond a mile, so wish me luck..lol.
     
  24. Slamfire

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    I shot in a 1000 yard match yesterday. I did my usual awful. To show the unpredictability of shooting at that distance, first relay I shot 190 SMK 42.0 IMR 4064 in the 308. This shoots well but case life is short. Second relay I used 190 Hornady match and 41.5 grs IMR 4064, same case and primer. I have a couple of hundred old Hornady bullets and wanted to use them. I cut the load by a half grain to spare the brass.

    My first shots second relay were in the berm. I had to crank at least 4 to 6 MOA up (about 4 to 6 feet up) till I started hitting the target. The pits relayed back that the bullet holes were oval. Obviously these Hornady bullets were tumbling.

    I went back to 190 SMK ammunition to finish out the match, but this experience shows me just how tiny component changes make a huge difference at 1000 yards.

    Now I am going to have to spend hours pulling the Hornady bullets and reloading. Yuck.
     
  25. USSR

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    Hi SlamFire1,

    With that load I'm guessing you're shooting a M1A? The 190SMK in a .308 is a good load BUT, as you've seen, the velocity has to be up there. The hands down best powder for 190's in a .308 case is N550. With my 26" barrel FN SPR I get an honest 2700fps while staying inside of the pressure specs. Of course, this load is only suitable in a modern bolt action rifle.

    Don
     
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