Do you think the average gangbanger practices shooting?

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Yes they do practice.

My buddy grew up in Oakland and would hear gun shots every night.

They weren't shooting each other everynight they were playing with their guns.


This seems like a pretty good indicator that some of them do indeed practice. I have heard this other places, and I agree they aren't shooting at each other every night.

I still think there are a lot who don't practice, judging by the results of some of these ridiculous gunfights. But then again, I have seen a few articles about cops who had their gun jam in a firefight (bad technique or weapon maintenance.)

It seems like a lot of people in this thread are just repeating stereotypes. Thanks to those who posted relevant info.
 
Balog, indeed!

Underestimating one's opponent is a dangerous thing to do. On the other hand, imaginary boogeymen can ruin your day, too.

How about we prepare for the worst, expect the best from our fellow human beings, and give other free citizens the same benefit of the doubt we ourselves demand?
Regardless of the proficiency of the gang-banging boogeyman, anyone legally carrying a firearm should be prepared to defend themselves from criminals, not stereotypes.
 
I don't know how much he practiced, but the late unlamented Maurice Clemmons managed to kill four fully armed and armored police officers while sustaining only a minor wound himself. When I was in Iraq, most of the IED's we saw were jokes, but some used infrared triggers and EFP charges that'd go through the armor on an EOD disposal vehicle. Dismissing your opponents is the first step to losing a fight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakewood_police_officer_shooting
 
Funny...

There was an episode of gangland on television last night...

A member of ohio's south side loco's carried a thirty two in his shoe and said he is very proficient with it as he "practices a lot".



He did however appear to be one of the older and wiser (which is a stretch) gang bangers -- compared to the rest.
 
I don't know if they practice or not. I practice and drill just in case they do too. They are probably like us. Some practice, some pose.
 
I followed the link and watched and listened to the guy explain the slanted gun hold. BALONEY ! He tried to claim that the gun could be fired accurately in this manner. YES I understand that the accuracy of the gun remains the same but I didn't hear him address how the heck he was going to use the sights nor did I see 2 extra sets of sights for the 45 degree and 90 degree holds. The bottom line is they think it looks cool.
 
You use the sights like you normally would. Get your pistol and hold it naturally out in front of you and you will see that it is at an angle and the sights line up with your eye. That is the proper one hand grip for defensive shooting.
 
What about gravity and it's effect on the bullet travel? Is the pull of gravity now going to make the bullets trajectory decline with gravity to the left or right instead of down because of the relative position of the sights? The sights are made to work only one way to provide a frame of reference for vertical and horizontal movement and adjustment.
 
Most gang killings are not because of accuracy or how much practice they get... It is because they have a total disregard of who they shoot. They don't hesitate. They walk up and shoot. There is no brandishing, there is no assessing the situation, there is no diffusing the situation, there is no reaching for a holstered gun, there is no "hand on the grip ready to pull."... Their gun is usually already out and ready to go. Most of the shootings are at close range, close enough to where accuracy is not an issue.

I watch "Gangland" a lot... If you notice some of the guns they are showing off... Not your dime store Saturday night special anymore... I saw Glocks, S&W's, Berettas, Mossbergs, and even a 1911 style pistol...

It is hard to defend against a menace to society... (yes, a gang movie reference... those who have seen it, know what I am talking about)
 
What about gravity and it's effect on the bullet travel? Is the pull of gravity now going to make the bullets trajectory decline with gravity to the left or right instead of down because of the relative position of the sights? The sights are made to work only one way to provide a frame of reference for vertical and horizontal movement and adjustment.

My (limited as a novice) understanding was that when you line up your sights the gun will point very slightly downward as the front sight is higher. And this is to compensate for the very slight upward movement from recoil during the tiny moment between the bullet being fired and leaving your gun.

If you hold a gun sideways in your right hand and line up the sights then it's pointed slightly to the right. But then who the hell is going to be using their sights when holding a gun in that silly manner anyway? And how much accuracy are they going to get holding a gun with just one hand?

I suspect they count on quantity -- if you have 18 rounds you have a decent chance of hitting something.
 
As the Marine Corps taught me, speed, aggression, and violence of action are just about the biggest determiners in most fights. Your theoretical one inch group at 25 yards isn't going to help you when the gangbanger is 3 feet away and has gotten off 3 shots before you've swept that oh so tackycool photographers vest off your $2k custom gun. Some people need to: stop under-estimating the possible opposition, stop over-estimating themselves, and focus more on software than hardware.
 
KJS .... The statement you made "who is going to be using their sights when holding a gun in that silly manner anyway?" is exactly my point. Thank you !!!!!! An earlier post seemed to try to say that sights could indeed be accurately used sideways. They aren't designed to be. Gangbangers and wannabes hold their guns sideways because they think it is cool. After all it is done in the movies. It's the same as letting your pants hang down past your crack so every one can see it. Not practical but "oh so cool".
 
Why did the street vendor fight the officer? The article said he had warrants for : "selling compact discs and DVDs without a tax stamp", "wanted for questioning in connection with an assault in the Bronx", and "failing to appear in court on a disorderly conduct charge".

I'm not a defense attorney, but nothing sounds that serious. For the selling without a tax stamp or disorderly conduct, it's highly unlikely the man would have been sentenced to jail time. An assault might get him locked up for a while, if serious injuries were involved, but a simple fight would probably result in probation.

On the other hand, even DRAWING a weapon in the presence of a police officer is a prison sentence, automatically. Firing it at the officer probably 20->life even if he never hit anyone. What was he planning on doing with the gun? It seems to me that if you wanted to escape from the cops, your time would be better spent working on your running and urban escape tactics. Maybe a can of tear gas or pepper spray at most. If you draw a gun, you're giving the cop a free ticket to shoot you dead and guaranteeing a prison sentence for yourself. Kill a cop, and you might as well kiss your ass goodbye - they'll put more manpower investigating that murder than almost any other criminal act.
 
They used to out near Lyttle creek-CA. And I ve seen some hommies out there that sure wanted to look like bangers. SHowing up in sneakers and t shirts w/ AKs.
 
What about gravity and it's effect on the bullet travel? Is the pull of gravity now going to make the bullets trajectory decline with gravity to the left or right instead of down because of the relative position of the sights? The sights are made to work only one way to provide a frame of reference for vertical and horizontal movement and adjustment.
And the error introduced would be measured in inches.
Generally criminals aren't shooting for a score.
Now that I think about it, neither are law-abiding citizens when shooting for self-defense.

At handgun distances with torso-sized targets, you could mount the sights on the base of the magazine and get COM hits, I don't think tilting the sights will make a dramatic difference.

Has someone posted that obligatory "home-boy sights" picture yet?
 
OK I concede. Bangers are all great shots whether or not they aim. Cool has nothing to do with it.
 
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