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  1. wishin

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    I suppose the cause/effect and treatment is different when the guns are in the house. It seems the question, "are you, or have you, been exposed to loud noises such as gunfire in the course of your life?", would cover it.
     
  2. UPTactical

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    Looking at that death statistic sheet the odds of a medical complication causing your death are 1:1523, it dosnt ask how many doctors you see on a regular basis
     
  3. FRJ

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    If you really believe that your health history is private I have some bridges and towers for sale. There are many questions I wont answer including but not limited to: Marrage status, sex I answer Yes. SS # only if they are going to contribute a sizeable sum to my account Etc. Any questions about guns and I just tear up the paper and leave. FRJ
     
  4. Zeke/PA

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    I would just like to meet this doctor in person 1 on 1.
    I would throw his crap inti the street pronto.
     
  5. Balrog

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    I am curious about something.

    Lets say you go in to see the doctor for a common ailment, say just a cold. On the history sheet, the doctor asks if you use illegal drugs. This question is not related to your chief complaint.

    Do you answer that question?
     
  6. ArmedBear

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    What about, "Are any of your relatives African-American? What percentage of Jewish blood do you have? Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Communist (or Libertarian, or Green, or...) Party? Do you have friends who are Muslim?"
     
  7. Walkalong

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    Huh doc, I said my ear hurts..... :scrutiny:

    My doc owns guns, & knows I did some illegal drugs long ago, so it is a non issue for me for those two.

    But basically, F em.

    Vote for capitalism next time. The socialist docs will ask everything under the sun, and if they don't get answers, it won't be good, and you won't have a choice of docs, so quit fussing about how good we have it now, and vote to keep it. :cool:

    Yep.

    I will attest to this as well. A simple "Yea, they has tonsillitis" to the wrong ear, and you are fired if not prosecuted.

    On the other hand, the docs will stand in the hallway outside the waiting room and discuss surgeries with the family in great detail within earshot of whoever walks by. No harm no foul, but if the wrong person walks by, and wants to push the issue, it's over with.

    It's the same as telling a women at work her dress looks nice, or you like her new hair cut. Most would take it as a compliment, but if they want to, they can get you fired. The law is there to back them up if they want to push it.

    HIPPA is really tough, and has many little facets to it. Very hard to know all the no nos of it. We have classes etc on it at the hospital. Even in Engineering we must be acutely aware of what can be said, and not said.

    If I go in a room with a patient, I will ask the nurse if there are any precautions I need to take. She can tell me that, but can not (legally) give me any idea of what the patient has.

    The nurses etc are the ones that have it tough. They can not even tell the wife/husband/son/daughter (etc) of a person what they have if that person has not signed a document saying that particular person can be given that information. As a patient you can not just say "family is OK". You must list everyone by name.
     
  8. gloucestergarand

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    Two funny healthcare responses, none firearms related, but still makes one smile.
    Right after I switched dentists, I went in for an x-ray, exam and cleaning. The young lady was placing the protective vest on me and I assume just making small talk. She asked me, "So, you married or what?"......of course, dumbfoundingly, I looked her straight in the eyes and responded, "or what?" She looked at me back like I had a second nose. She started stammering when I knew I had the upper hand on the conversation and continued by responding if she was!

    Last year, took my 55 year annual physical. My lady Doc was a former AF Doc and I'm retired Army Aviator so nothing phases me. I'm wearing the goofy gown and we get to the part about bending over. Doc sez if I'm uncomfortable with her doing the probe, she could have her nurse come in. I turn around and look her straight in the face and respond that since her nurse was a very attractive, 20 something, I don't know how her joining the exam was supposed to make me more or less comfortable. Told her I'd had my female Doc "turn your head and cough and bend over, you'll feel some slight discomfort" from a Flight Surgeon (now a BG by the way) many, many years ago, so it wasn't a big deal. She then responded that some fellers, particularily those who haven't worn the uniform, find it awkward or uncomfortable.
     
  9. spartywrx

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    Actually in some recessive genetic disorders it is important to get a history of Jewish ancestry. Tay-Sachs for example. But probably not if you come in for a cold.

    Sex and illegal drugs are all part of the history also. I'm in medical school in Detroit. You'd better damn well get to asking the illegal drug part. Just about everyone has been on this that or the other drug and now has Hepatitis A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I.......
     
  10. Walkalong

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    Yep. After working in a hospital for going on 15 years, I could tell you some stories. You see all kinds of things, and you get used to it. Not much privacy in the hospital.

    Nothing beats being admitted to the place you work, with nurses you know checking all your "vitals". :eek:

    Gotta be tough. :cool:

    Leave all your feelings in the truck. ;)

    That's our number one rule in Engineering anyway. Tough crowd.

    Much like construction, only with partly to fully naked people running around here and there. Never know what's behind the door, even when they say, "Come on in". :eek:
     
  11. ArmedBear

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    There's a HUGE difference between a doctor asking about something in a conversation, and having you put it somewhere in writing, for no good reason, where it will remain until you die, no matter what else happens.

    My great-grandfather was Jewish. My family is from Austria. I would not exist, had there been any written record of his ancestry.
     
  12. 9MMare

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    I'd mostly be concerned that it would affect my health insurance rates, the way that smoking can.
     
  13. berrieberrie

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    In my country, part of the paperwork to getting a gun permit is a statement from a doctor that there are no medical indications against your having or shooting a gun. So, my GP knows - but you know what ? He doesn't give a cr*p, and thinks it's a silly requirement (he's legally safe, because the statement is only valid at the moment of the consultation, so unless you walk in stoned or drunk, he'll sign it off - AFAIK, no GP around here refuses to) :).
     
  14. hadmanysons

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    In the military they ask those same exact questions every year at my Preventative Health Assessment. It's new and akward, but I answer honestly and they don't really say anything, they just say something to the affect of "Well, you should keep then unloaded and in a safe. Just keep them away from kids." Since I don't have any kids they just move on.
     
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    Interesting topic. I wonder if the medical profession is ready to acknowledge that people who own guns live longer, or maybe should get reduced rates for insurance because they can provide security to families, themselves, and homes..........:p
     
  16. Onward Allusion

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    Find another doctor.

     
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    But that's suggesting firearm ownership is an illegal activity.
     
  18. EP1990

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    dont answer. guns are not hazardous to health, only idiots with guns are.
     
  19. Backpacker33

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    This link below has a form to give to any health care person who questions you about firearms.

    First, though, consider that the physician may have nothing to do with the health history form, or those questions in particular. If you otherwise want to use this physician, bring up the subjec with him/her to find out their position. If the physician is an "anti," perhaps you will want to seek another. I might then write a letter to the clinic he/she works for explaining your concern and including a blank copy of the form on this website.

    If the physician is neutral, I would explain your concerns about the questions and why you won't answer them. Then you could introduce the form, advising him/her that it isn't intended to affront him/her, but that you want it completed and, as it says, put into your record.

    The AMA and the JAMA both have an anti-self-defense agenda and have had some success in getting these questions into health histories. I believe a forceful response is a good idea.

    http://www.2ampd.net/Articles/horn2/Firearms Malpractice Form.pdf
    - Backpacker
     
  20. danprkr

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    I never admit to owning guns to anyone that I'm not legally required to give it to. I've not been asked that question, but I'm sure I will be eventually. Once that happens I'll probably just skip it or lie. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.
     
  21. devildog32713

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    Wow, tell him you also have an unlocked kid in the house
     
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  22. PotatoJudge

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    http://www.aclutx.org/article.php?aid=501

    Go to the gun rights section.

    *posted in response of devildog's now edited post which called spartywrx a meathead and told him to do his research regarding the ACLU and rights.
     
  23. buck00

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    A few years back I was asked this at the pediatrician. Without revealing the vast arsenal I have, I simply said "We have a hunting rifle."

    Man, did I get the dirtiest look from the nurse. As if I was a bad parent.


    Yup, I'll never reveal that again. Its a "need to know" basis and they simply don't need to know. :scrutiny:
     
  24. Cranky CJ

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    I just don't see it as that big of a deal. On my last physical my Dr. and I had a conversation about physical activity and exercise. The conversation went on about how I was exercising before hunting season. He went on to give me advice on how to physically prepare for hunting season. He could have absolutely cared less about my gun ownership.
     
  25. conw

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    spartywrx, perfect rebuttal. Totally fact-based and does not paint you as overly invested in the argument but just reasonable. Paints opponents as unreasonable.

    Argument is also found in Freakonomics regarding kids' safety.
     
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