Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by The Exile, Jan 29, 2022.
Personally I don’t think so, I don’t think the slightly better expansion potential overrides the ease and speed of follow up shots and more ammo for the same sized gun.
Then again, I have and do carry .45, .40 and 9mm depending on what I’m loading and shooting the most, so it’s really a horse apiece IMO. All good, just different
In ball ammo, I posit the 45 would over penetrate less, transfer more energy, and generally be more effective at "knocking " someone down with center of mass hits.
The fast pointy .36-38 bore rounds have a reputation for being long range ice picks. Fine if your shot placement is sound. Hope there's nothing behind the target that is terribly important!
Early 20th century brits explored "stopping power " by increasing size /weight of 45 caliber projectiles with flat points... 600-700 fps (very slow by modern standards) 200-250 grain flat point lead projectiles tend to hammer pretty well, (transfer energy )
all of which can equal better/ faster terminal result.
Pointy 124 grain 9mm fmj Vs 230 grain 45 acp especially flat point my money is on the 45. I would still choose 45 if round ball was the only option for both.
9mm is only the choice now because of jhp advancements that make all the service calibers basically the same... Expansion to .5 or .6 and penetration of 14-18 inches. 9mm does it with less recoil than 45 or 40.
45. 40, 9mm, 357 etc they all do this. Some 38s do this. Some 380s get close.
Take away the last 10 years of hollow point tech and all the pretty flowers in ballistic gel and original projectile size matters more.
According to this information, the “weak and anemic” .38 Special is as effective as the might .45 ACP as well as today’s golden child, the 9mm???
How can this be?? You honestly mean to tell me ft-lbs of muzzle energy are not the main deciding factor in handgun effectiveness???
Im not sure anymore with those monolithic copper “screwdriver” rounds or basic flat point. I’d probably stick with 9mm for follow up shots and a chance at CNS over .095” width.
There is so much more to the story than statistics when it comes to gunfights. Training, hit location, psychological issues with the “victim” (I.e was it a psychological stop) overall timeline of the stop, etc etc
I'm trying to be specific with my claims so it doesn't just retread the old grounds, but yeah I'm just trying to get a feel for the reality without having to ever be put into a real life test drive of the claims. I plan on getting 1911 at some point or another so it's all good to me. It's a good enough gun to have some ammo for it on hand
bore you can shoot accurately
Now if you want to talk about military ball ammo (FMJ) then I would have to go with the 45ACP. And yes I have used both in combat.
That being said, both calibers have their benefits. I prefer the .45 ACP but tend to carry a sub 9MM, especially in the hotter months due to conceal ability and extra rounds.
I really don’t understand this OP point or logic, so my reply may ramble
There is no way to separate myth from reality in movies and video games.
I don’t understand the concept of moving to be closer to online friends.
Pistols don’t have knock down power.
Center mass is a big area…a single lung hit and a heart hit are both fatal, but the time the fight can go on can differ greatly.
The will to live and fight is individual…and some bad guys have sucked up a lot of solid hits (both 9MM and .45) before going down.
All things equal, a service frame 9MM will shoot a bit softer and hold more ammo than a service size .45.
Just my thoughts how to respond to the OP. No disrespect meant.
If you can hit what you aim at go 45acp. If you aim and pray go 9mm.
If all you have is one shot, which is going to be a better stopper? The answer is 45 acp. Course that's subjective.
9mm is good for mag capacity and follow up shots and for price of ammo. 45 has what counts.
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