That's kind of nifty:
Edited to add they sell nipple conversion for Pietta's and Uberti's.
Does anyone else wish they would make a C&B revolver that uses 209 caps?
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That's kind of nifty:
Edited to add they sell nipple conversion for Pietta's and Uberti's.
That's kind of nifty:
Edited to add they sell nipple conversion for Pietta's and Uberti's.
I'm at a loss for how these works. Primers require a firing pin, right? And so the flat face of a percussion hammer won't work, right?
From what I see of these it looks simple and similar. Nothing to unscrew to reload.
I have an email in to them asking for freight cost shipping to the US, if they respond, I'll ask that question for you.
I'm curious how they work with real BP. Seems these are set up for very light charges of smokeless powder.
Link to the nipples:
http://ten-metre.com/product/titanium-nipples-for-black-powder/
I'm curious how they work with real BP. Seems these are set up for very light charges of smokeless powder.
Link to the nipples:
http://ten-metre.com/product/titanium-nipples-for-black-powder/
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Mizar
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Rodwha, I suppose that the hammer nose must be reworked to fire the 209's, at least that's what I read in some UK based forum.
About those conversions and their purpose - If I remember correctly, in the UK it's much simpler to acquire smokeless powder. Black is labeled as "explosive" so they regulate it's use more strictly. I believe shooters must apply for license every time they want to purchase some.
About those conversions and their purpose - If I remember correctly, in the UK it's much simpler to acquire smokeless powder. Black is labeled as "explosive" so they regulate it's use more strictly. I believe shooters must apply for license every time they want to purchase some.
Here's their website response to that - Why Nitro?
http://www.anvilconversions.co.uk/index_files/Page564.htm
Cleaner and more shots per tub of powder. The sell a pin for punching out the primers from the chamber mouths. The pin is stored on the left side of their custom revolvers.
http://www.anvilconversions.co.uk/index_files/Page564.htm
Cleaner and more shots per tub of powder. The sell a pin for punching out the primers from the chamber mouths. The pin is stored on the left side of their custom revolvers.
daboyleroy
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Wow
If my math is not wrong
773.22 US Dollars for the gun and then add shipping and whatever it takes to get it across the big pond
Cha-Ching
Cha-Ching
Cha-Ching
And I SAVE powder and ............
If my math is not wrong
773.22 US Dollars for the gun and then add shipping and whatever it takes to get it across the big pond
Cha-Ching
Cha-Ching
Cha-Ching
And I SAVE powder and ............
DD4lifeusmc
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doing that adding a conversion cylinder changes the legality of the gun
It becomes a modern firearm and if you in a nanny state can be a no no
It becomes a modern firearm and if you in a nanny state can be a no no
My thoughts exactly. Really have no interest in the Nitro Conversion.
£60 for a set of 6 nipples = $77.37USD = not cheap but interesting.
From the looks of it, Im thinking they have to be lined up perfectly so that the slots allow the hammer to fall on the primer.... Doesnt look like anything inside the channel, but perhaps the sharp rap of the hammer alone is enough to set it off??
whughett
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LMAO: Lets not forget the old adage "If you got to ask the price you can't afford it."
Its called "disposable income".
I just disposed of more income by buying two revolvers I don't "need", but gotta have.
whughett
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Shot shell primers look the way they look because the primer is actually sitting inside a cup/pocket that contains the anvil the primer is smashed against, in other words its a self contained unit, unlike rifle or pistol primers, Boxer Type, that use the cup/pocket and flash hole of a cartridge case. Don't think a "center" strike is necessary to bang it against that anvil.
At that price I'll be interested from afar...
MCgunner
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If I wanna use primers, I have Blackhawks, other cartridge revolvers and auto pistols and a .45ACP conversion for my 58 Remmy. But, this conversion might sell considering all the hard to ignite BP subs on the market and the desire for some to shoot Blackhorn 209 to avoid clean up hassles.
Me, I ain't that unhappy with what I've got.
I just wish I could run down to my LGS and buy REAL black powder like I used to do in the 70s. Then, no one would need 209 primers. Caps would work fine, again, even my home made ones.
Me, I ain't that unhappy with what I've got.
I just wish I could run down to my LGS and buy REAL black powder like I used to do in the 70s. Then, no one would need 209 primers. Caps would work fine, again, even my home made ones.
whughett
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Yet people spend how much on after market gun items on just about every gun on the market. I have numerous cap and ball revolvers with the manufactures original nipples, work as well as the caps that are available for them.
BCRider
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The issue would be the primer blow back. The Westlake and similar revolvers used in Britain have a proper recoil shield so that the primers can't come back too far out of the cylinder and bind the cylinder. And in fact I suspect that the cylinders themselves have a slight fore and aft play to them so that when the primer fires and pushes back out of the pocket and up against the recoil shield that the powder pressure pushing the bullet ahead can then push the cylinder back against the primer and re-seat it similarly to how a cartridge behaves.
Simply making nipples that accept 209 primers or LPP's might work with SOME of the guns but it would not work with all of them. At least not without a new or modified hammer and possibly a modified frame to provide something that retains the primers from blowing back. And likely it would need to be something that has a firing pin in the proper location. So all in all I don't see a conversion to a cap an ball gun being all that cheap to do. More likely what you want is the British certified muzzle loading version of some model or other.Then simply load it with black and ball instead of the smokeless and wadcutter it's rated for.
Simply making nipples that accept 209 primers or LPP's might work with SOME of the guns but it would not work with all of them. At least not without a new or modified hammer and possibly a modified frame to provide something that retains the primers from blowing back. And likely it would need to be something that has a firing pin in the proper location. So all in all I don't see a conversion to a cap an ball gun being all that cheap to do. More likely what you want is the British certified muzzle loading version of some model or other.Then simply load it with black and ball instead of the smokeless and wadcutter it's rated for.
Panzerschwein
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Yeah! And while they're at it, add some of those brass case things that Remington has now for their inline muzzleloaders! 
No thank you!! Part of the charm of those cap and balls... is the CAPS, same for the traditional style caplock rifles! I have no place for 209 primers, polymer stocks, or red dot scopes when I shoot black powder. Just kills the whole point (tradition and history) for me. If I'm feeling lazy then I'll shoot a modern gun.
No thank you!! Part of the charm of those cap and balls... is the CAPS, same for the traditional style caplock rifles! I have no place for 209 primers, polymer stocks, or red dot scopes when I shoot black powder. Just kills the whole point (tradition and history) for me. If I'm feeling lazy then I'll shoot a modern gun.
Mizar
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Guys, come on, keep it calm - AbitNutz asked about a conversion with 209's, so we provided the info. And I don't think that primer back up is of much concern - with the low pressures generated, the 209 primer will not bulge and lock itself up. Consider this - such conversions are offered by several British gunsmiths. Those people are definitely not idiots - I have witnessed some of their gunsmiths work, it's second to none. But, if I did consider such conversion, I will definitely check the UK black powder forums to see what British shooters have to say about it.
Panzerschwein
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BP Forums be like:
And what's wrong with that?
$70-something + shipping is a deal breaker there though.
whughett
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Really ?? So much for cylinder gap.
AJumbo
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I'm late to the party, but, NO.
I think every BP wheelgun ignition problem I've seen was due to bad cap fit, battered nipples, a weak mainspring or excessive end shake in the cylinder. (Bad caps or bad powder are separate issues.) Going to a 209 won't fix any of those problems.
I think every BP wheelgun ignition problem I've seen was due to bad cap fit, battered nipples, a weak mainspring or excessive end shake in the cylinder. (Bad caps or bad powder are separate issues.) Going to a 209 won't fix any of those problems.
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