Does Anyone have a pistol-caliber carbine as their main or a primary shtf weapon?
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The .357/.44 mags lever action are viable house guns.
These calibers really come alive from a 16+" barrel.
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For those who consider the 5.7mm "too much"--
HK is coming out with a bullpup in 4.9mm,
Steyr will next year debut a new handgun in 2.4mm,
and Daewoo will, in 2009, offer a 0.0mm carbine (mag capacity is infinite).
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These calibers really come alive from a 16+" barrel.
___________
For those who consider the 5.7mm "too much"--
HK is coming out with a bullpup in 4.9mm,
Steyr will next year debut a new handgun in 2.4mm,
and Daewoo will, in 2009, offer a 0.0mm carbine (mag capacity is infinite).
Boston
http://www.javelinpress.com (Boston's books)
http://www.freestatewyoming.org (FSW website)
http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php (FSW forum open to all)
DMK
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I used to have a 9mm Marlin Camp Carbine for HD. It was a great little rifle. Accurate, reliable, compact. However, I considered the above points and sold it to buy an AR15.
Never looked back. The AR was just as compact, just as light, more accurate, has comparable recoil, better sights, more versatility, easier to maintain, flatter trajectory, better terminal ballistics, and has longer range. At the time, surplus 5.56 was cheap so I stocked up quite a bit. Ammo cost today would be the only drawback, but I also have a 22LR upper.
Now I have like a half dozen ARs and no pistol caliber guns. I might get a .357 lever action, just because they are cool though, not for any need.
DMK
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Hey Smince that CCU looks pretty cool. How did you adapt the AR stock to it?smince said:
.44 mag from a rifle is a whole lot different than a 9mm 'carbine'.
Then gain, there are few really good choices out there (for the price) for semi-auto pistol cal. carbines... that if you really want a lightweight 'rifle' a Kahr M1 carbine copy or a Mini-14/30 might be just as desireable, you get a lot more range, better penetration and reliable hi-capacity magazines.
Then gain, there are few really good choices out there (for the price) for semi-auto pistol cal. carbines... that if you really want a lightweight 'rifle' a Kahr M1 carbine copy or a Mini-14/30 might be just as desireable, you get a lot more range, better penetration and reliable hi-capacity magazines.
Lone_Gunman
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The original question was about a SHTF scenario. If it is a real SHTF scenario, such as Zombie Invasion, Nuclear Holocaust, etc, then there won't be anyone around to enforce those laws.
possum
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normally using a pistol caliber carbine is frowned upon for many reasons for a shtf type of situation.
1) they are approx the size of some rifle caliber carbines. and if you are gonna have something that size you might as well have a rifle.
2) a rifle is generally better to have if applicable in a situation, not only being a rifle but the rifle calibers.
3)there are gonna be better results with a rifle caliber carbine than with a pistol caliber.
4)yes the barrel is longer so there will be incresed velocity and ft lbs of energy delivered on target ie better terminal ballistics.
5)they are easier to shoot and making accurate shots compared to a handgun come much easier, but again, why hit them with a pistol caliber when you could have a .223/5.56 etc.
Pro's:
like you said ammo is cheaper and that is definetly a plus these days. they are great for plinking, just to have and such, and they are great for high volumes of trainning. learn the basics and do the drills and go through the high rd counts with the less expensive ammo and weapon, and then implimint what you learned with that to the other rifles that you would actually want to use in a shtf sittuation.
then there are people that believe that you should train how you fight. and suggest that you train with the weapon you are gonna use and not doing what i stated above, i am not in that group.
i am not trying to tell you not to get one because there are a few that i love and would love to own, but i wouldn't use it as my shtf gun especially as the primary and not even the secondary that is what my ar and 870 and ak are for, they are alot of fun though.
recoil, is not much of an issue with an ar either, some ak's are better in this department than others as well, the yugo underfolders are very soft shooters.
accuracy, you should be able to tag and get good hits on targets at 100yds and at 50yds all day long pretty rapidly, but again with a rifle you will be able to shoot out farther, and you will have better terminal ballistics once the rifle round hits the target than if you were using a pistol caliber.
btw any thing that you train with and are profecient with is better than everything else. no matter what it is. if you have little or no experience with it and no trainning.
my choice in shtf
1)ar/ak
2)pistol caliber carbine
3) handgun
Marlin 1894C and revolver. Versatile, effective and available/reloadable ammo. No black plastic to alarm the sheeple. Tested by time, tried and true.
Is it the best combo/ammo for all situations? No. But can it perform admirably in all but long range situations? Yes. And how often will you need to exceed the 100-150 yard effective range of the .357/.38 combo? Not often, and if you do you may have some explaining to do about how you felt threatened at that distance (assuming of course they are not armed with rifles). Do I have a MBR available for SHTF? Yes, but for all-around use I like the above combo.
PS: Not relatively heavy to carry the carbine, revolver and a good quantity of ammo, either.
Is it the best combo/ammo for all situations? No. But can it perform admirably in all but long range situations? Yes. And how often will you need to exceed the 100-150 yard effective range of the .357/.38 combo? Not often, and if you do you may have some explaining to do about how you felt threatened at that distance (assuming of course they are not armed with rifles). Do I have a MBR available for SHTF? Yes, but for all-around use I like the above combo.
PS: Not relatively heavy to carry the carbine, revolver and a good quantity of ammo, either.
smince
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I made a sleeve that fit over the receiver tube and overhung the back enough to screw the buffer tube to the sleeve. Then I attached the CAR stock in the normal fashion.
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I can see how a 9x19mm carbine would be an obvious choice since it is the standard NATO and US round and also popular amongst civilian shooters, thus allowing one to supplement supply quantities with outside sources.
Perhaps it's high time for me to purchase a Ruger PC9...
Perhaps it's high time for me to purchase a Ruger PC9...
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I am not so sure that your points are correct. Ammo prices are usually less for milsurp .223, the .223 is certainly easier on recoil than a .44 or .357 Mag, and the suitability for CQB is questionable. I agree on the pistol caliber carbines being ineffective for distance shots.
The pistol caliber carbine rounds are for the most part, not as powerful as rifle cartridges, and offer no advantage that I can see over using an AK, AR, or 7.62 Nato platform.
I am not so sure that your points are correct. Ammo prices are usually less for milsurp .223, the .223 is certainly easier on recoil than a .44 or .357 Mag, and the suitability for CQB is questionable. I agree on the pistol caliber carbines being ineffective for distance shots.
The pistol caliber carbine rounds are for the most part, not as powerful as rifle cartridges, and offer no advantage that I can see over using an AK, AR, or 7.62 Nato platform.
FMJMIKE
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This M1 Carbine is my house gun. I would feel comfortable with it for SHTF. WW II was a real SHTF situation...............
hehe... Guy wins.
skinnyguy
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Should be here next week. My Ruger PC9 with a Redfield 6x scope. Gonna go great with my Ruger P89. Shares the same mags, currently have 2 factory 15's and 2 aftermarket 30 rounders. Gonna get more.
When it gets here, and I get familiarized with it, I'll be a whole big bunch more comfortable. Within 2 blocks north and south of me, there's a donut shop, 7-11, bank, liquor store, pawn shop, hotel, 2 gas stations, and a police station (right between the 7-11 and donut shop). Pretty much a potential robbery-rich neighborhood. Plus there is increasing gang activity here, and my job puts me in contact with some of the gangers, and I've been known to P.O. them on occasion in relation to my job. Oh yeah, I have a 17-year old daughter with a boyfriend.
Yeah, I'll feel better.
When it gets here, and I get familiarized with it, I'll be a whole big bunch more comfortable. Within 2 blocks north and south of me, there's a donut shop, 7-11, bank, liquor store, pawn shop, hotel, 2 gas stations, and a police station (right between the 7-11 and donut shop). Pretty much a potential robbery-rich neighborhood. Plus there is increasing gang activity here, and my job puts me in contact with some of the gangers, and I've been known to P.O. them on occasion in relation to my job. Oh yeah, I have a 17-year old daughter with a boyfriend.
Yeah, I'll feel better.
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