Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics, and Training' started by vincyr, Mar 29, 2020.
In many cases, using the US Military as a paradigm for "best practices" just doesn't pay the rent.
Then a thumbbreak holster that blocks that hammer. All of the 1911's safeties, AND a thumbbreak holster, if you still feel uncomfortable,........quit and seek psychiatric help.
No way for that hammer to drop.
Guns dont just go off by themselves. Theres a reason so many carry with one in the pipe and so many advocate this practice.
Seek training and/or better understanding.
In the meantime carry your snubby if that makes you more confident, but it really is the same thing.
I would hate to have to do it in the split second that someone was trying to take my life. On top of that, the P32 cannot be called a pistol with a "hair" trigger.
Rack it up, put it in a decent pocket holster, and forget that it is there until the need arises.
I agree for the most part; the one thing I do not necessarily agree with is the cheap holster. A DeSantis pocket holster is an excellent product and very inexpensive and does exactly what it is designed to do - hide the gun outline and protect the trigger. And absolutely nothing else in that pocket, ESPECIALLY things like keys
I can see that for an old single action, but what does it do for you with a double action?
Why do you not want a round in the chamber under the hammer of your revolver? Is it a very old revolver?
nope. just seen to many weird things, heard people say too many times - "well, that's not supposed to happen", or "don't worry, it's fine" only to then witness something go wrong real fast. lightning, static electricity, taser, act of god - don't know, just know that if the round isn't in the chamber it can't get fired down the barrel, it is the only way to know for sure. when I was a kid, guns we learned on didn't have safeties, and I guess I learned then that it wasn't safe to keep a round in the chamber, so I still follow that 40+ years later.
The gun won't fire unless you pull that relatively loooong double-action trigger.
IF you're going to carry it at all. carry it ready for you.
Well, as someone else pointed out - your practice of carrying with the hammer on an empty chamber only works for a SAO revolver. If it’s on the empty chamber and some “magic” event happens that causes the hammer to cock and drop, then the cylinder is going to rotate and a loaded chamber will be under the hammer, resulting in a discharge.
You might want to reevaluate your method of carry, taking into account how the gun actually works.
And add to that the fact that modern revolvers now have some sort of firing pin safety wherein the hammer cannot even come into contact with the firing pin unless the trigger is depressed. i'm not trying to harp on you, but this is a precaution taken for no reason and I'd like to avoid the dissemination of bad information. Heck, even my single actions have firing pins blocks. It's also a good way to turn a five shot into a four shot.
" best practices ",sorry but where in the wide world of sports did you see me say or impune that ?.
It was in reference to mention of the Israeli use of an empty chamber carry,or better yet go back and read ALL that transpired prior to,and then my comments.
What "WAS DONE" was all I was pointing out.
Lots of pocket holsters can't come close to 1) or 2) (looking at you "sticky holster" makers and users). Even the best pocket holster that meets 1) and 2) very often does not lend itself to 3).
I don't think that the issue is with the gun...its with the carry mode, as well as the holster the OP is likely using.
Film 495, if you're not carrying a Colt SAA or a similar clone, you're just wasting one of your limited number of shots as the drop-safe issues you are concerned about were eliminated back in the 1940's with S&W revolvers, Ruger always had a transfer bar on his revolvers and Colt, Charter, etc. all have their own hammer-blocking systems in place.
Empty your revolver, cock the hammer and look between the face of the hammer and the frame and you'll see either a hammer blocking device (This drops out of the way upon firing) or a transfer bar (this moves up and imparts the hammers energy to the firing pin when the gun is fired. ) Both systems will allow the gun to fire only when the trigger is pulled and held all the way back. If you're afraid that a gun will fall out of your holster or your grasp and land on the hammer, firing it, get a revolver that's on the California "drop safe" roster. That's what it's "intended" to be for..(It's really just more cloaked gun control, but they have to sell it as a 'safety' thing.)
To both: Concern for safety is a very good trait, but don't let it paralyze you. Confidence in your abilities and familiarity with your chosen carry firearm will eliminate the anxieties you feel.
I REFUSE to carry a weapon without either a full-stroke / full-weight trigger pull, positive manual safety or true single action design. The "dingus" on a typical striker gun is NOT a true safety, just a mechanism to prevent discharge if dropped.
As an armed citizen, the probability of an AD/ND with a light weight / short travel trigger is far greater than actually discharging your weapon in a defensive encounter.
This is not correct. The "dingus" is a safety intended to prevent an unintended depression of trigger and it operates like any other safety. It requires a purposeful manipulation to disable it. In my particular chosen brand of striker fired pistol, there are two mechanisms intended to prevent discharge if the pistol is dropped and neither rely on the "dingus." The first is the striker/firing pin block that does not disengage unless the trigger is depressed and the second is that there is an internal stop that prevents the trigger bar from becoming disengaged from the sear. Not to mention that even if those two safeties failed, the striker is only half cocked and from that position, it does not have the energy required to pop a primer.
I'll second that. The "Israeli carry" option is off the table for the little guns, IMO. I don't even like it for bigger pistols, but as for the P32, the only guns I'd less like to rack in a stressful situation are a Beretta Jetfire and a Seecamp. There just isn't enough to grab onto.
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