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Does CCP mark you?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by love4god, Apr 20, 2015.

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  1. love4god

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    I just went to a NC safety class this weekend. I need to make appt with county sheriff and get processed for my CCP.

    One of the guys in the class was talking and said he wasn't sure he was going to get his permit. He felt it marked him as a permit holder and asked the instructor/ex-policeman if when they pulled you over or ran your plate if an indicator popped up letting the officer know you're carrying concealed.

    I know there was recently the news story about MD state police pulling people over driving up from the south and many people believed they were running plates and identifying people with CCP to try and bust them with their more rigid gun laws.

    There was also the newspaper in NY that published 30k names of gun owner permits. I can't believe that even happened without any real repercussion.

    Does anyone worry about this? I hadn't really considered it, thought it would just be a personal, private thing that only a few people know about.
     
  2. crankyoldlady

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    Perhaps I shouldn't assume, but I do assume that this information will pop up on the officer's computer when your driver's license is scanned should you be stopped for a traffic violation..
     
  3. pkariher

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    Yes, it is true for NC. Police do know when they pull you over if you have a permit.

    I don't think this is shared with other states though.

    Of course WRAL published the addresses of all the NC permit holders when it was public information. Had a nice searchable database. :cuss:
     
  4. Jackal

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    I've been pulled over 3 times in the last 10 years. The only time I got a ticket was when I produced my CCP to the officer. The speeding ticket was for 34mph in a 30 zone.....the most chicken <deleted> ticket I've ever seen. As soon as I answered "Yes" to his firearms inquiry, his demeanor changed and he immediately started to write the ticket.

    I dont know if it directly corresponds or not, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a WA State Patrol, it must be a duck.
     
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    No, not at all. One should presume that law enforcement officers would prefer to deal with law-abiding, non-felon, background-checked citizens that just happen to be packing rather than not knowing anything about the person with whom they're interacting ...

    Did something change? I thought we had CPLs in this state ...
     
  6. Sheepdog1968

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    I don't worry about it. I assume it will pop up. The few times I've been pulled over I have always been polite and don't make any sudden moves that might give an officer any reason to be concerned. This was long before conceal carry was an option. I've heard of individuals who do conceal carry and who have been pulled over more than once and done the same thing both times and have had different outcomes.
     
  7. buck460XVR

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    What other legal options do you have if you want to carry concealed?
     
  8. Toprudder

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    No problems for me or my wife in NC

    In NC you have to inform them if you are carrying. Technically, if you have a CHP (concealed handgun permit - proper name) and are NOT carrying, the law doesn't require you to inform, but better to do so since they will know you are a CHP holder when they call your license in.

    I have had to interact with the law 3 times (once for a license check, to other times for non traffic related) and my wife once for a minor accident. We never had any problem, and I had one officer thank me not only for informing, but for carrying as well. In my wife's case, the other driver was also a CHP holder as well! He thanked them both.

    There may be instances where the cop may have an "anti" attitude, but what are your options? Not carry, or carry openly. I would like to believe in either of those cases he/she would have more to worry about than some person who has gone through the checks and are deemed to be law abiding citizens. But there are cases like the ones in Maryland, but I believe that is because of the politics in Maryland being anti-gun, and that attitude trickling from the top down
     
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    What are the consequences if you don't get a permit and get caught carrying? I would assume they're much worse than being tagged as a permit holder, and wouldn't recommend carrying without it, especially if there's jail time and/or a felony on your record involved.
     
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    I would LIKE to think this way as well.
     
  11. Kleanbore

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    We are not required to tell officers about firearms here, but I have always presented my permit, which has been handed back without comment.

    Yes, it does show on their computer screens.

    No, I do not worry.
     
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    No permits in VT so nothing 'shows' when you are stopped...

    I assume the officer is armed, and I find it only prudent that he assume I am armed as well...
     
  13. Arizona_Mike

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    A logical cop would be happy to learn that you are a non felon, non misdemeanant and not a dangerous unknown quantity. I think the culture in some areas of the country interfere with logic.

    Mike
     
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    It's never been a problem for me. From time to time I hear of folks being (overly) concerned about it, but I doubt many cops go out of their way looking to punish CCers, at least none of the ones I work with do.

    Heck, I've booked people arrested on non-related misdemeanors and had them bond out immediately after. I just walk with them outside the building and hand them back their gun.
     
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    Washington state you are not required to inform the police you have a permit.
    You are required to tell them if asked.
    Your permit and your drivers license are not tied together.
    Only way the police can know is if they ask.
    Never been stopped so I have no first hand experience as to their attitude when you tell them but I imagine it varies from one office to the next.
     
  16. wally

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    I don't interact with LEO often but in the 20 years I've had my Texas CHL showing it has gotten me a warning instead of a traffic ticket three of four times. YMMV.

    This lets them know you've had the background checks and are unlikely to be a bad actor, so I'd encourage getting one, for this and to make a statement about Gun Rights.
     
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    Its my understanding that the cops like us in TX.

    Been pulled over a few times for this and that

    No ticket
     
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    Since this is in General and not a state specific sub-forum, I don't mind answering for the state of Georgia.

    Georgia is Not a 'must inform state'
    Georgia is Not a 'firearms license database' state

    No one, not even a Georgia state police officer can access any sort of database of Georgia Weapons License holders, there simply isn't one and the establishment or maintenance of one is prohibited by state law.

    Additionally, if some officer/entity were to be inquisitive enough to want to find out, Georgia issues weapons permits through the local county Probate Court. There are One Hundred and Fifty-nine of them open 7.5 hours each day, Monday through Friday (don't call during lunch, that's when SueEllen watches her soaps and you do NOT want to interrup SueEllen's soaps, no you do not.)

    By state law, the Only thing the probate court can do is verify the legitimacy and validity of a weapons carry license to a license holder, pursuant to a subpoena or court order, or for public safety purposes but shall not be authorized to provide any further information regarding license holders.
     
  19. Browning Guy

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    In Michigan it comes up when they run the plate, if the registered owner of the vehicle's plate has a CPL. They don't know who the driver might be until they ask for ID, and you are required to disclose first thing.
     
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    It's definitely a concern, and is one of the reasons why I haven't applied for a license. (Virginia does have open carry without a license.) I don't want to take the chance of having to deal with an antigun cop, not only in northern Virginia but in neighboring jurisdictions like D.C., Maryland, and even New Jersey. Antigun cops are not unheard of in this general area. Furthermore, since the carry license is tied to car license plates in the police data base, the adverse consequences might be applied to my wife as she's driving, and she's not even interested in guns.

    This is similar to the reasons that I don't have NRA or political stickers on my cars. It's just another controllable risk factor, when you don't know how the other guy will react. Lots of antigun people here.

    I personally think that my chances of running into a rogue policeman are as high, if not higher, than my chances of running into a carjacker or thief against whom I might have to defend myself. I travel in areas where aggressive police are more in evidence than aggressive lawbreakers.
     
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    It sounds like he has some guilt issues he'll need to work out. Once he gets the permit it's every bit as legal for him to conceal a handgun as it is to conceal a wallet or a silver dollar.
     
  22. MedWheeler

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    In Florida, having a license to carry is, to most cops, a sign that you've been vetted and pose little or no threat.

    But there is no system here to automatically alert LEOs to such licenses.

    I believe it also allows one to "be counted" statistically in favor of lawful gun ownership. Here, getting caught carrying a firearm without a license is a felony. When that happens, you go down as a felonious gun crime", padding the other side's statistics even further, in addition to all the other perks of being a felon.
     
  23. 4thPointOfContact

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    If I may build upon this just a little.
    It used to be in Georgia, that not having a license in your immediate possession was also a crime when carrying. Lately it was replaced with a law very similar to the law violated by someone having forgotten their wallet or purse in haste to go somewhere. One must pay a $10 "don't do that again ya'hear?" slap on the wrist if a valid license can be produced in court instead of becoming a hardened criminal. I would recommend everyone contact their representative and push for similar legislation in their state.

    Not having a license is NOT the same thing as bring 'unlicensed'.
     
  24. oneounceload

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    Same here in FL
     
  25. Thermactor

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    Great thread, and excellent question.
    Frankly, it's the reason why I don't carry currently.
    If I got an OH CCW license, it would ring alarm bells whenever a cop runs my plate. It's all tied in.
    No thanks.
     
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