I don't have pictures of the 380 penetration but I did get one when it hit the backstop.
Does the .380 really have enough stopping power?
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MCgunner
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I thought I saw that in a Taurus revolver thread about fragging handguns. 
Or, heck, maybe it was a Glock thread, don't recall.
Or, heck, maybe it was a Glock thread, don't recall.MCgunner
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Mmm, that explains why it didn't penetrate the glass on my monitor that day I got POed at that "Kel Tec is crap" thread. I just need a Corto, I guess.
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Cool was that the BB hardcast? I hope so, I just bought 40 rounds for max penetration
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Tell us, exactly which police agencies have a .32ACP handgun as their primary weapon today, right now?
I'm betting the answer is: none.
the Japanese police carry .32acp as do the police of Monaco and some Italian p.d.'s. likely there are other European/Oriental.
I'm betting the answer is: none.
the Japanese police carry .32acp as do the police of Monaco and some Italian p.d.'s. likely there are other European/Oriental.
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Kel-Tec is kind of ugly especially compared to the Desert Micro Eagle.Mmm, that explains why it didn't penetrate the glass on my monitor that day I got POed at that "Kel Tec is crap" thread. I just need a Corto, I guess.
I have never purchased a gun based on how it looks but rather on how it shoots.
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Neither have I but this one feels good in my hands.
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LOOKS? No. FEELS? Most definitely. However, I have bought some guns simply because the deal was too good to pass up. e.g. Hi-point c-9 9mm for $50 and an AMT 380 Backup for $75.
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I can remember when an AR-15 cost $300 brand new. A thompson .45 ACP was $150. A Bauer .25 pistol for around $100. All of this in 1974.
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Well keep in mind that the .380 is more powerful than the .38 s&w, which was a popular side arm in WW2.
Then consider that the .38s&w is more powerful than the .32 acp, which was the bullet that killed Franz Ferdinand and started WW1.
I'm sure the .380 is better than throwing rocks...
Then consider that the .38s&w is more powerful than the .32 acp, which was the bullet that killed Franz Ferdinand and started WW1.
I'm sure the .380 is better than throwing rocks...
When my CHL comes in very soon I fully intend to carry my Diamondback 380.
Which is vastly superior than the nothing caliber I was not carrying before.
If any one in THR land suffers sleep deprivation issues as many Americans I have read do then I suggest reading the pages of this thread when one retires for the night and I am quite sure that some where between page one and sixteen you will fall in that deep black hole called sleep that I generally am in when I go to bed each and every night.
Which is vastly superior than the nothing caliber I was not carrying before.
If any one in THR land suffers sleep deprivation issues as many Americans I have read do then I suggest reading the pages of this thread when one retires for the night and I am quite sure that some where between page one and sixteen you will fall in that deep black hole called sleep that I generally am in when I go to bed each and every night.
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Yeah, and if you were making 7 bucks an hour, you were in high cotton! Now, 7 bucks an hour is poverty wages.
I just looked up the above refrenced costs on my inflation calculator and...$7.00 an hour in 1974 would be $30.11 today.
That AR would be $1290.60 today and the Thompson would be $645.30.
The Bauer .25 would now cost $430.20.
The oil embargo crisis after the 1973 Israeli-Arab war was directly responsible for run away inflation in the world as everything went through the roof in manufacturing and the price of a barrel of oil.
That AR would be $1290.60 today and the Thompson would be $645.30.
The Bauer .25 would now cost $430.20.
The oil embargo crisis after the 1973 Israeli-Arab war was directly responsible for run away inflation in the world as everything went through the roof in manufacturing and the price of a barrel of oil.
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Those Thompson .45's cost $1,200 up.
Fully agreed. I'm still shopping for my CCW while my paperwork is going through, and still have an auto or two on the shortlist, and some compact revolvers. When I get this close to dropping the hammer, this is when I start actually handling the guns in shops and so forth, seeing how they feel. The S&W Sigma SW9VE didn't survive the cut because it didn't feel right. The Beretta PX4 Storm Compact is still in the running. The Ruger SP101 had superb hand-feel - like it instantly welded to my hand arm. Then tried the S&W 438 Bodyguard and the difference in weight tipped the odds to the Smith as it has equal or better ergonomics than the Ruger.
But to the question of this diary, the .380 doesn't seem to do too well in ballistics tests. In the real world it definitely gets the job, like that story about the woman coming home, getting charged by the burglar exiting her home, and one .380 in the sternum put him on the ground. He didn't laugh it off, didn't keep coming.
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.380 = 9mm short
9mm Kurtz?
9mm Kurtz?
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Kurtz was Marlon Brando's character in Apocalypse Now.
Kurz (no "t") is German for "short".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.380_ACP
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To drop someone quickly, the bullet has to hit the right organs, this goes for every caliber, there are no exceptions. There are no 50%, 75%, or 90% stopping power calibers. This is not a video game.
The p3at is a very small and light gun, you'll want to honestly practice with it.
The p3at is a very small and light gun, you'll want to honestly practice with it.
Just for reference, since there is so much apparent equivalence among the numbers between 380 and 38 special, i've noticed that when I'm shooting steel, especially revolving or falling targets, the 38 special imparts much more energy to the targets than do the 380. In fact, the 38 special seems to be much more powerful than the numbers would indicate. Maybe it's just me, but I can tell the difference among 38, 380, 9mm, 9mm+p, 40, 357 sig, etc. It's obvious that the large slug of the 38 special delivers more useable energy than some other bullets. Why I don't know.
This does not mean that a small 17 cal or 5.7 slug is not destructive. It's just destructive in a different manner. I personally think a good +p380 is a good defensive round. Just be sure to practice and hit center mass. That's all you can hope for unless you're a savant who can do capricious head shots.
There are millions of statistics on bullet wounds. Some great bullets will kill you, the next one off the assembly line won't. It's luck and skill and you can't generally know which you'll get unless you've got something premeditated in mind.'t
This does not mean that a small 17 cal or 5.7 slug is not destructive. It's just destructive in a different manner. I personally think a good +p380 is a good defensive round. Just be sure to practice and hit center mass. That's all you can hope for unless you're a savant who can do capricious head shots.
There are millions of statistics on bullet wounds. Some great bullets will kill you, the next one off the assembly line won't. It's luck and skill and you can't generally know which you'll get unless you've got something premeditated in mind.'t
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Three eighty plus pee hurts. A lot.
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Maybe not primary, but Czech police still uses vz.61 Škorpion...
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Good observation. The .38 Special uses heavier bullets, thus transferring a lot more energy. When you compare a .380 bullet at around 100 grains, vs. a .38 bullet at 158 grains, the latter will definitely carry more energy, if velocities are similar. The .38 also has the advantage of working with any bullet type, being a revolver, while the bullets for the .380 have to feed through an autoloading mechanism.
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