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Does this encourage gun theft?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by bushmaster1313, Jun 19, 2012.

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  1. bushmaster1313

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  2. OldMac

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    No doubt

    If they advertise no questions asked, they seem to be encouraging if not facilitating crime.
     
  3. PBR Streetgang

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    very few decent guns get turned in.......shooters are worth more on the :STREET"
     
  4. Agsalaska

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    Where did they get the money? I thought Chicago was broke.
     
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    Government grant money! I. E. Our taxes!
     
  6. Owen Sparks

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    It might be a good time to get rid of non-functioning junk like an old no name single shot that you can't find parts for.
     
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    As a guy that did 22 years on the street (long retired, thank heavens) I never minded these kind of attempts to reduce the amount of junk iron in any community. The stuff that gets turned in is usually in poor condition and the folks that had them were the opposite of decent gun owners. Can't tell you how many I came into contact with that had a gun of some kind and couldn't even tell you what size ammo it used... You haven't had any excitement like the jolt you get when you find a 14 year old with a gun on the street....

    Most of these programs are "feel good" attempts to make communities safer. The truth is that there's so many weapons around that any kid can get his hands on... any such program barely scratches the surface....
     
  9. Carl N. Brown

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    An example of taxpayer dollars at work. (And since it is a gov't work it is not (c) vio to reprint in toto):

    National Academy of Sciences, National Research Council,
    "Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review" (2004)
    http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=95
     
  10. PBR Streetgang

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    Some places take pellet guns too...

    Go to Wallyworld ,buy 10 $25 pellet guns and sell them back for $2500, not bad for a $250 investment!!!!
     
  11. Sam1911

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    Hey, if it prevents one tenth of a death, it is WORTH IT!

    ;)
     
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    Governments are full of career politicians who do things that they must surely know to be ridiculous in the interest of appearing to do something useful.

    Politicians always have their personal and financial interests in mind, and those interests are too frequently wrapped in one overriding concern: getting re-elected. They think gun buyback programs will be perceived as useful in the eyes of those folks whose votes they wish to gather.
     
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    Another example of the stupity in DC and major cities across the Nation.
     
  14. Carl N. Brown

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    If you buy criminologist Marvin Wolfgang's belief that few homicides due to shooting would be avoided merely if the firearm were not present, and most murderers with motive and opportunity could accomplish the murder with a substitute weapon, a buyback of 1,000 guns would not even prevent one tenth of a murder. But $50,000 to $100,000 would pay for police training or equipment which is more often than not more beneficial to crime prevention than gun buybacks (a point Tom Seleck's character made on "Blue Bloods" a few episodes back, to my surprise).

    Wolfgang famously declared on one occassion that if the were the world dictator in "Brave New World" he would ban all civilian guns and may be most police guns as well. His belief that motive and opportunity overrode means in most homicides came from in-depth study of 588 homicides.

    My belief is that, in a world without guns, the strong could always dominate the weak; the young could always dominate the old; and the gangs could always dominate the out-numbered.
     
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    we have had this in my county for years. some very nice guns are collected. they are given to cops and firefighters.... your tax dollars at work...
     
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    Anyone who thinks no firearms on the streets would cut the homicide rate hasn't been to Soweto and seen what can be done with a Machette.
     
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    Yes reward illegal gun owners with cash and gift cards, then make me a hardworking tax paying family guy jump though hoops to get a permit!:fire:
     
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    No, it doesn't encourage additional theft. Guns are already sought after by BGs, because a BG with a gun can get a heck of a lot more than $100 with it. Y'all don't think like criminals, do ya?
     
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    Either the PD turned down this man's application, or there's another reason for his resentment that I can't think of presently.


    Few, if any nice guns are collected. The entity that subsidizes the "buyback" would require the guns be destroyed. The city/state/county is BUYING those guns, and they wouldn't be GIVEN to police and firefighters. They wouldn't even be SOLD to police and firefighters. Maybe 40 years ago, but not today. The liability would be huge, and it's not with it, especially since the city/state/county wouldn't profit from it. Most agencies won't even let a cop choose or buy his own gun to carry, because of liability.

    Furthermore, all surrendered firearms would be run against NCIC to determine whether it was stolen and if there is a rightful owner. It's a phone call away, and that number is saved in my cell phone. Of course, I can also use the MDC in my patrol car if I don't want to call.


    I've been offered several guns from citizens, from either retired people or inherited from deceased family members. They've turned right to me and asked, "Do you want this gun?".

    No, I'm not taking it. I'd love to, but I can't profit from my position. The months I spent in the academy, the years spent up all night or sweating my azz off in the cold, wearing some stranger's blood... halfway to my pension, and you think there is any way I'd trade all that work for a rusty Taurus .38?

    Even if you set aside the integrity aspect, it would still take a bribe valued at $1,500,000 before I'd consider giving up what I've worked for thus far.


    Just because one person lacks integrity and is unfit for public service, don't assume those who ACTUALLY do the job are.


    I don't think many criminals would really believe in, or be willing to risk time in the joint, based on the promise of "No questions asked".

    If you think the old widow is walking down to the gun collection center to cash in her dead husband's Wilson Combat 1911, for $100 in bingo money, then you are probably mistaken. Feel free to stand outside the door with $120 and poach any deals you see walking in...
     
  20. DaisyCutter

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    "No questions asked"

    Person #1 brings in a gun, man at the counter does a NCIC check, results negative, takes gun and gives person #1 $100.

    Person #2 brings in a gun, man at the counter does a NCIC check, results positive for recent burglary, takes gun and has the officer who is standing by detain person #2 until detectives arrive.



    No questions asked of the bringer in either scenario. The detectives en-route for person #2 are not affiliated with the buy back.
     
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    Obama's stash
     
  22. bushmaster1313

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    Is daisy cutter correct?
     
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    I have neighbors who are firefighters and cops. they tell me they get first dibs on guns from the turn-in program.

    I have no reason to dought their integrity. the turn-ins are not limited to handguns
     
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    Bingo. This was, in fact, the state of the world before guns.
     
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    I have seen a FEW smart departments, the 'destroy' the gun and if it's worth anything, the just burn the reciever/frame (three diagonal torch cuts) after stripping it and sell the rest off as parts. That would be the smart way, the not so smart way, is that this is JUST PR that is, thats all, they don't get illegal guns, they get grannies and such, the best bet is the counter buys

    they set up across the street or in a adjacent parking lot with the owners permission (or on the sidewalk/public right away as it is a protected form of protest) with signs saying such as "don't let the cops rip you off, it's worth WAY more than they are paying" etc.

    blue book out, and see what you can cherry pick.
     
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