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Does your caliber choice change if you're carrying in an area where drugs are prevalent?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by TomJ, Nov 22, 2017.

  1. JR24

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    I'm sure there's an old cowboy or two who can get that all cleared up in, oh, six or so years
     
  2. Iggy

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    I watched that show once and it was so far fetched I never went back.
     
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    I watched it for the entertainment. Additionally, I would occasionally remark "Oh, I know where that is", seeing as it was filmed almost entirely here in New Mexico. You have to admit that the Valles Caldera where Walt's ranch was situated is a real purty lookin' place.
     
  4. Sauer Grapes

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    Caliber probably won't change, but choice of gun would.
    Every time I have to go to Philadelphia, I switch to a double stack. Extra mag also or a bug. I really prep for multiple targets.
    I know drugs\crime is everywhere, but it's much more concentrated in high density areas. I swear, every time I go into the city, I run into some strange stuff. {person}
     
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    i would love to edc a ruger blackhawk 45lc, but it’s not gonna happen where i’m located. i want to be armed wherever i wander so i’m usually limited to a well concealed mouse gun by dress and circumstances, sometimes i can do a 38 snubbie. the key for me, as others point out, is more situational awareness and more practice, as well as getting into better physical shape. sad to say but these days avoiding bad areas is no longer a viable option, they come to you.

    the only days when im completely disarmed is when i go to a military base to shop. pres trump really should reverse the antigun bush41 and clinton executive orders to at least allow ccw holders to have secured weapons in a vehicle when inside a base.
     
  6. 1911 guy

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    Drug use is so prevalent now that there are no things as drug areas and drug free areas. And despite our perceptions of safety, drug users have cars, too. If you carry, carry a gun you are proficient with, carry enough ammo to get you at least one reload and practice situational awareness all the time. When you enter the public, you have exactly ZERO control over who else is in pubic. 999 of 1,000 are just going about their business, same as you. Learn to spot the 1 before he or she spots you.
     
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    Nope, just carry what I shoot best.
     
  8. joed

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    I've always carried big calibers, the exception is .357 mag. I do carry a 9mm at times but I do not prefer it, always considered it a woman's cartridge.
     
  9. bassjam

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    What's funny is that if you talk to someone from the city, they say the same thing about going to the country. There's weirdo's everywhere, our perception is just that we are used to the weirdo's we live around.
     
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    Nine millimeter - Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman !
     
  12. C0untZer0

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    Our biggest problem right now is the carjackings. Carjackings are up 45%.

    There were 2 attempted carjackings in Oak Park yesterday and a carjacking at gunpoint in the Bridgeport neighborhood this morning. It's not just Chicago and near burbs - there was a carjacking last week in Lisle, a guy was shot the other day in Addison when he put his car in reverse to escape the carjackers.

    Its an epidemic
     
  13. Sauer Grapes

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    I know quite a few people that are city dwellers. They are at least what I call "normal people". I'm not exactly living in the country. I live in the suburbs around Philadelphia.
    Your definition of a "weirdo", may not be mine. I run into strange people around my way from time to time. They don't give me the feeling, I should carry a double stack pistol as opposed to my normal single stack.
     
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    Nope. I work in the building next to the county jail, and it's in a fairly rotten neighborhood. Besides, I figure drug users are mobile, and could turn up wherever I happen to be.
     
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    Exactly. There's strange people everywhere, and very few are violent. There's people that do drugs everywhere, and very few of them are violent. But someone who appears completely normal might be the one to shove a gun in your kidney when your back is turned loading groceries in the middle of the suburbs. It's better to have the same level of preparedness wherever you are.
     
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    No change for me, in my low crime rural area if you do manage to find a violent criminal, they are almost certainly on meth. They also drive and apparently lately aren't afraid of armed daylight home invasions.

    So I just stay armed all the time, regardless of where I go.
     
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    Don't over think it. Drugs are "prevalent" everywhere these days. Carry the biggest gun you can comfortably conceal.
     
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    This is the consensus. I never got involved with drugs but saw a great deal of them growing up and during my time as a LEO, so I'm too familiar with them. I appreciate everyone's feedback and am not making any changes based on this issue.

    Tom
     
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    I recently moved away from the Green Bay, WI area.
    I carry a Ruger LCP (380) with one extra mag.
    (murders happen maybe 2 - 3 times a year)

    I now live 30 miles west of Rockford, IL.
    Murders happen 2-3 times a day.
    I feel I need a Redhawk (44 mag or 454 casull)
     
  20. JR24

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    When we decided to move back to the midwest I was worried my wife's job would stick us in Milwaukee or, worse, Illinois.

    Thankfully we settled in central WI.
     
  21. bangbang01

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    My caliber choice doesn't change unless I'm doing outdoor activities in Bear country over in Idaho and Montana...........357 mag with heavy hard cast slugs in nothing less than a 4" barrel. If I were in Alaska I would raise the bar to 44 mag with similar ammo.

    For 2 legged creatures, the only thing that is going to guarantee that a bad guy instantly stops attacking whether it be with fists or a gun is a hit to the CNS which can be done with a 22lr. I wouldn't carry a 22lr for defense because the statistics say that blood loss or fear is what actually ends most altercations involving firearms. While even a bb gun can stop a threat with fear, I won't carry ammo in most handgun calibers that won't reliably expand, as even a small caliber such as the 22 magnum with an expanded bullet will typically cause a faster bleed out than than most ball ammo which merely pushes flesh and arteries to the side as apposed to cutting. For me, this means the smallest calibers I will carry are 22 mag and 380ACP, and I will only carry ammo that reliably expands and meets FBI penetration standards in those calibers. As long as I feel I can rapidly put multiple shots on target with a gun that meets my ammo requirements, I will carry it regardless of what part of town I'm in. While a meth-head or a crack junkie might be more likely to attack you and less likely to back down because of fear, they're going to bleed out just the same if you put bullets through their heart or major arteries. That's my take on it.

    For what it's worth, I mostly carry a 9mm loaded with Hornady critical defense when going into high risk areas, but it's because my sub-compact 9mm is far more accurate and holds more ammo than my micro 380 or 22 mag revolver, not because I don't think the gold dots in my 22mag or the hot underwood gold dots in my 380 wouldn't get the job done with good shot placement.
     
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    I have been involved in drug enforcement for 23 years.
    I have gone from Magnum wheel guns, to 1911 45 Automatics, to wonder nines, to 40 cal, and now back to nines.
    The ammunition is better.
    It’s the shot placement and tactical considerations not what you are carrying that will get it done and get you home.
     
  23. Hangingrock

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    Drugs are everywhere. The sheriffs department went from once, twice, three times to quarterly or more a year of published reported drug sweeps in the weekly county newspaper. There is a family that had to install an alarm system to keep their adult son from breaking into their house. Their sons grandparents have custody of his children. Its pervasive. I have not changed my concealed carry weapon or ammunition type. Its just another problem that one may have to anticipate dealing with and that's the grim reality of it.
     
  24. JohnKSa

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    No. What I carry is based on what I can conceal under the circumstances, not based on where I'm going or what I'm doing.
     
  25. SteveChuck

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    My thoughts on this are based on military experience, not in civilian confrontations. And, as you might guess, there are numerous examples of 3d world rat bastids using drugs of ALL types to get themselves jacked up to fight. My advice is, go with the caliber you are most proficient AND comfortable shooting with. If you train and practice with a 9mm, or a .40 S&W, .45 Auto, etc..then, stay with it. Check out some of the different ammunition - that's a significant difference versus the handcuffing the military has to put up with (Law of Land Warfare and Geneva Conventions). Shot placement is the key my friend. And, since you don't have to worry about making an "arrest" anymore, only "stopping the threat"..make sure you get good enough to be able to fire the ultimate stopping shot (3d eye) rapidly and with confidence.
     
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