Don't buy a Cooper

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You guys are so dramatic. As president the *only* thing that Obama could possibly do, or not do, is veto an AWB that congress passes.

I will spare you what could be a very long post, in fact books are written on the topic, but ever since Jefferson the president has been exercising legislative prerogatives beyond his constitutionally enumerated powers. Woodrow Wilson really shifted the balance. The long and short of it is that the President has considerable influence over the domestic policy agenda. The framers perhaps intended the president to only have a negative check on legislation in the form of a veto but that is a far cry from the situation as it exists today.
 
Does anybody buy the reason posted on the Cooper website? To defeat Hillary?
Hillary would have been an easier candidate for McCain to run against IMO, so how does that help?
It's funny how things work out isn't it?

Some people will say and do anything. My guess is if the response would've been positive then he'd probably post a statement saying he's contributing more.

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I gotta hand it to the moderators here. At least they've allowed people, presumably shooters, to express their opinion both pro and con.
Certain other forums won't allow opposing opinion. I've seen at least two complete threads deleted today regarding this very subject, most opinions expressed mirror those shared here.
I realize these are not publicly run forums and politics is frowned upon. However if you post Cooper's response and then lock the thread that's chicken**** nonsense.
If you're gonna allow one side you need to allow the other.
 
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Does anybody buy the reason posted on the Cooper website? To defeat Hillary?

That sounds like supporting a Demon so he can defeat Satan.

And yes hats off to the moderators for not shutting this down. Thankfully it han't gotten as nasty as it could have.

The bottom line is this. Betrayal hurts weather its real or just percieved.
 
A dealer friend of mine knows them

He said he's gonna call them tomorrow, he didn't believe me at first. I'll let you know what they told him, assuming they are going to answer the phone. :fire:
 
It's not so much betrayal as knowing where your money goes. I wouldn't support what Cooper has and I won't provide the money for them to do so.
They don't manufacture evil black rifles or handguns so maybe they think they're immune. Whatever the case, they're using my money from my purchase to endorse ideas and behavior I deem offensive, counterproductive and un-American.
 
I will say that unless Cooper Firearms made a public statement, I feel legititimate donations to political candidates should not be public news. However, given the leanings, I can not support Dan Cooper's company with my money in the future.
 
When I was stationed in Japan, late one night on a side street I saw a well dressed, and obviously successful Japanese businessman so blind drunk that he was pissing on his own shoes. That sorry, pitiful image was the first thing that popped into my head when I read about Cooper's foolishness....


I just left them an email, telling them what I thought of this foolishness.



nero(can live without a Cooper rifle....)
 
How involved is Cooper the man with cooper the company? How many people work for the company? Anybody know, or have a decent estimate?
 
I sent them a polite email.

I'll have nothing to do with them every again. Plus, to make it worse, it doesn't look as if the claim on their website is honest or accurate.

Sucks to be the poor dealer with his stuff on the shelves now!
 
Moving thread to General Discussions

I'll yield to the judgement of others as to whether this thread is proper fodder elsewhere. It is definitely off topic for Rifle Forum, which is a technical venue.

Moderator Art Eatman is out of pocket for brief time, and I take this action in his stead.

Johnny Guest
THR Staff
 
In a weird way I can defend Ruger's stance on the AWB and selling out gun owners- it was a business decision. Cheaper and more durable surplus SKSs and AKs were far superior to one of his biggest sellers: the Mini-14/30. Banning or restricting their import would put more money in his pocket. I can't see any advantage to Cooper's position and therefore cannot figure out even a devil's advocate defense of his political preferences.
 
bill ruger kind of lost my respect for that whole deal "no honest man needs more than 10 rounds." ill buy from ruger. bill's dead and his successors started selling high capacity mags again
 
My letter, going out today by snailmail for maximum impact:

Byron Dickens
[address]

Dan Cooper,
Cooper Firearms of Montana
P.O. Box 114,
Stevensville, MT 59870

Mr. Cooper:
I am sorely disappointed to discover that you, as a firearms manufacturer and NRA member, would support Barack Obama for President. That is a slap in the face to your fellow NRA members.

A gun owner voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders. Obama supports every onerous and punitive gun control measure ever proposed. He opposes concealed carry laws and thinks that the draconian bans of Washington DC and Chicago should be the model for the rest of the country. He has supported bans on commonly available sporting ammunition and bans on commonly available sporting arms. In Obama's perfect world, only a select few (meaning the wealthy and politically connected) would ever be allowed access to firearms for any purpose at all, whether hunting, self-defense or target shooting.

You, sir, are what Lenin termed a “useful idiot.” You have been taken with your disenchantment with current US policy and Obama's empty promises and portrayal as the Second Coming and failed to see that his is the pathway to socialism, the destruction of the Second Amendment and the destruction of the Constitution in general. His writings, his associations, and his voting record make that clear. Your support of Obama would eventually lead to your own destruction.

When I am shopping for my next rifle, I will most assuredly not buy one of yours. And I will urge everyone I know not to buy one either. Smith & Wesson and Ruger were both hurt by their actions in the past to throw gun owners under the bus. They are both large companies. I doubt yours will survive. May your competition prosper.

Respectfully,


Byron Dickens.
 
something is missing here and an angle that no one has pointed out----yet.

of all the people in this Country, and of all the businnesses in this Country, just how did mr. cooper of cooper firearms wind up as the lead in the article---with what appears to be direct quotes as well from mr. cooper?

did usatoday root around and found a gun business that supports obama? or did cooper shoot-off his mouth about being an obama supporter and word got back to the liberal press? did usatoday seek out cooper for an interview or did cooper seek out usatoday?

if the cooper firearms name received little exposure before, it certainly has received it now.

cooper has a right to vote however he wants to and make any public statements he wants to---just like the dixie clucks.........if folks want to buy his product--so be it, it's still a free Country. If folks want to boycott his product--so be it, it's still a free Country.

will cooper survive?----hopefully they will under different ownership as i hate to see another gun maker go down the tubes-----but if they go down the tubes on cooper's watch---then so be it......he is done and only selling of the business to a pro-2A supporter might save it----maybe.

As far as still boycotting ruger and smith and wesson, this is my opinion. I can still see boycotting ruger and smith---if ruger was still owned by bill ruger and smith was still owned by the plumbing outfit--but this is not the case today. Ruger is basicly under different ownership and management from the Bill Ruger days----the company as far as i know does not have any ruger family members left on the board and the ruger family no longer has controling interests in the company, it is a new company with a new direction. S&W----same thing goes, the company was boycotted and punished enough for their clinton era actions that the company was sold off to new owners with a totally different stand---and it is pro-2A.

i do not believe in punishing the sons for the crimes of the fathers----that reminds me of a certain religion we are fighting now. This line of thinking is similar to----for example--hating the U.S. today for something that was done under the Clinton reign of terror. Clinton was in charge and the AWB came to pass------should we hate and not support our Country for something that happened years ago under the clinton watch--after all, was not clinton in effect the CEO of the Country? NO, we put the blame squarely where it belongs. In effect, we "boycotted" the Democrats out of office and put republicans in to be in charge----made a change in the company (Country), made our Country better, and continue to support her---not hate her because of clinton.

So blame Bill Ruger all you want, or blame the british outfit that previously owned s&w all you want----but to keep harboring blame and hate for these two companies today is doing nothing more than putting the son to death for the crimes of the father. And in this case, the "sons" have been working their tails off trying to do right..........
 
Seems to me that people whose public face is as a business person should just keep it to themselves. And especially when their personal views conflict with the interests of the business.

That includes everyone in Hollywood and guys like this.

Seems like he's almost daring his customers to not buy his product.

I accept the challenge!
 
Saw this same subject posted on another forum site. Lots of discussion, mostly negative.
Cooper Rifles may well suffer in the long run as you can`t trample your customer base.
They can support whom ever they want but consumers don`t forget.
 
This from Brownells website:
www.brownells.com
A Gun Owner's Political Backup Plan

It's barely a week before the election that determines the direction of our country for the next four years. If you believe the polls, the presidential race appears to favor an anti-gun candidate, and gun owners have good reason to be concerned. What's our backup plan? As head of the federal government, the President has a lot of power, but remember that Congress actually makes the laws we live by.

The outcomes of critical U.S. House and Senate races on Nov. 4 will be as important for the future of our Second Amendment rights as who wins the White House. Our votes-and our dollars-make a much larger impact in these races than the run for President. Even if the Presidential race doesn't go the way you want, you can still have plenty of influence on how our country is governed in the coming years. This also means that a crucial Congressional race in a different state may also have a huge impact on your Second Amendment rights.

A great example of a candidate who will vigorously represent gun owners everywhere is Jim Gilmore, running for U.S. Senate from Virginia. From his deep commitment to the NRA and fantastic service on its Board, we can tell you Jim will be a strong Second Amendment Senator. If Jim gets elected, we all win, regardless of where we live. We need people like Jim Gilmore in Congress - regardless of who wins the White House.

Many other good pro-gun House and Senate candidates are fighting tough races, as they put on a full-court press this week into the late hours of next Monday. They need our help. Something you can do today is make small donations to some of these Senate and House candidates (up to $2,300 for federal races). Pick the ones that represent your values and the way of life you want protected. They can accept donations from anyone anywhere in the country, and all of them have websites, like Jim Gilmore's www.jimgilmoreforsenate.com, where you can make your donation today. This is how we do it:

1. Review the Electoral Vote website to find close races.
a. Senate Races
b. House Races

2. Check the NRA's ranking of the candidates at www.NRAPVF.org

3. Find Senate and House candidates who will represent our firearms rights, and donate to their campaigns.

Please join us in taking positive action right now, while there's still time, before next Tuesday. Support pro-gun candidates for Congress, and help defend our gun-owning rights against possible negative fallout from the Presidential election.

Frank & Pete Brownell

We know who are our friends and we know who aren't.
 
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