Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics, and Training' started by Phaedrus/69, Feb 4, 2021.
The couple that were murdered left behind an autistic 15 year old son. Tragic and senseless.
that was likely the ultimate conclusion of a long string of confrontations.
There is a quote attributed to Teddy Roosevelt, but it originated in the Bible:
"never waste a good opportunity to keep your mouth shut".
What a waste of three lives. Love thy neighbor. You may need them when the SHTF.
Ask Rand Paul about that.
Be it snow or yard waste, be careful where you put it. The tipping point may not be far away.
Yep, seen it before, the camera location is likely on purpose but I think that is the point of the thread, it didn’t have to be. I think any one of them could have prevented it. Obviously the killer could not have become a murderer but the other two didn’t have to take the actions they did either.
Important to know that being an instigator doesn’t justify someone killing you but just as important to understand that for every action, there is a reaction.
Active listening, an offer to stop shoveling snow from your property to his, just going back inside and calling authorities (nothing) would have been better than calling him names and only coming up with the idea of calling the police after you’ve been shot.
There is often as many ways to de escalate a situation as there are to allow them to go beyond your control. The actions I see in the video would be like pouring gas on a fire or flooring an auto that’s already going too fast, out of control and down the wrong path.
I am not saying one should be a push over and not stand up for what is right but you certainly shouldn’t literally ask for it. That’s either insanity or incompetence.
Watching that sad video didn’t teach me anything. I already knew the lesson those people learned the hard way.
You win 100% of the battles you don’t fight.
This one starts a bit earlier, kinda looks like doing nothing would have worked, as the guy was going back up the driveway.
As said, there’s more going on that what we know. The couple obviously thought they could belittle their neighbor with no repercussions. Maybe they had been for a long time. Too bad the neighbor didn’t get even through legal means. It’s also too bad that everybody lost everything and none of them will have the chance to become better people in the future.
I always liked the "fences make good neighbors" approach. I'm ok with the ones I have, but they sometimes do things I don't care for. I'm sure I've pissed them off a time or two as well, but never a major issue.
Escalating a situation with the neighbor (or anyone really, especially if they know where you live) is asking for problems. Even if it doesn't result in a shooting, they know when you're home and when you're not.
A phone call to the shady cousin, letting him know you're not home so he can come steal everything you hold dear. Or that the only person home is your teenage daughter....
No thanks. Don't have to be friends, but don't make enemies of your neighbors.
if anyone learns anything from this it is: do not taunt people. Alligator mouths and tadpole butts.
I sent the link of the longer / full video to my kids, with the caption "This is why you don't do the monkey dance". You never know how the other folk are gonna react, and there's never any profit in it.
Monkey Dance Bad. No Do Monkey Dance.
My personal theory is that the shooter decided on a course of action when the neighbor threatened him with "I'm gonna make your life a living hell!". We have no way of knowing for sure, but I've seen that before - push someone into a corner, and they'll act like it.
The notion that standing there staring at a gun being pointed at you, shot after shot, is also probably worth noting as A Bad Idea. It shows how the target (I won't say victim, because they clearly had their own share of blame here), for all the physical bluster, wasn't really ready to engage.
Yep, lots of Monkey Dance going on there.
Maybe that was "normalcy bias", simply not understanding and believing the evidence of your own eyes due to shock and surprise. I too thought it was weird that neither of them reacted to the first flurry of shots. I don't know how many hits the shooter scored but it kind of appears that the first salvo missed due to the lack of reaction. But I dunno. Clearly it was an execution right from the start as evidenced by aiming at the head when they were down on the ground.
The one I watched required signing into FB via Google because of its "disturbing content"; guy shot them point blank and didn't kill them with either of his first shots; emptied his gun, then got his rifle to finish them off.
The shooter either never trained/practiced or he hasn’t been to the range in 20 years. Most likely he’s never even shot any gun. His first 5 shots either completely missed his target at maybe 7 yards? Or possibly the target was hit and didn’t know it. It took the 6th shot to be effective. Then the point blank head shot to the lady in the road basically missed. The second head shot only wounded her because she was able to talk and sit up afterwards.
The whole scene was disturbing yet pathetic.
Probably he didn't train but he had to fired a gun before. He was a Navy veteran if reports are correct; I believe it's always been part of their training to use a rife even though it's not part of their regular duties. At least it used to be that way. My dad served on a carrier in Vietnam, two tours. In boot he had to qualify with a rifle even though he ended up being an aircraft mechanic. Some vets can chime in but I imagine it's probably part of boot to this day.
You never know what the other person is going through in life. So be kind, respectful, just dont take any ish. Remember the golden rule. Pick and choose your battels wisely. Could be your last.
And never bring insults and harsh words to a gunfight.
We do not have neighbor problems as our closest neighbor is 3/8-1/2 of mile from us. Our residence is rural which has its good points. We are not originally from here which also has its good points. Also we keep to ourselves but we are polite when we come into contact with the local life long inhabitants'. With that said we are not part of feuds that life long resident's may be involved with. We were also selective of the church we attend which is not part of the local community. People know me to wave to as I walk a lot, as in miles. We've been here 25+ years with no problems to speak of.
Does anyone see blood?
Does anyone see smoke from muzzle?
Does anyone see any sort of fireball?
I did not.
Don't crucify me........I'm just asking.
Could be a crappy camera system. IDK.
Speaking of the accuracy/inaccuracy of the shooter and the lack of blood/flash/smoke...
My opinion from experiences, at least...
- even with good or evil intent, the best shooters can miss when stressed and aiming at a real being as opposed to paper at the range. Just because he's a cold murderer, doesn't mean physiology of stress completely vanishes.
- not all gunshots bleed right away and especially with handguns with certain ammo. I think it's actually eery in real life vs the movies when a small cut of a knife on a finger will gush but a gutshot can keep from bleeding for a few minutes
- crappy cameras can miss certain things, especially flash depending on frame rate. Surveillance cameras will not have movie quality frame rates.
- certain powders/ammo and even various guns will flash or not flash inconsistently, especially with the human eye or crappy cameras as above.
All plausible explanations.
It's not, at least not during the 90s. And when I was at Great Lakes, the pistol range was closed indefinitely.
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