Double Action or Single?

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I'd vote for a DA revolver for two reasons:

First, the shape of the SA butts are, to me, painful to shoot. My first pistol was a .357 Blackhawk and that was the most painful gun I've ever had the misfortune to fire. I put about 100 rounds through it and sold it. The curve of the Blackhawks grip hits the web of my hand at the wrong spot and a lot of the recoil goes into the hand. On a DA revolver you can change the shape; type of grip (smooth,sticky or hard); and size. You can have grips for shooting light loads or heavy loads. I don't recall seeing grips for SA's that can do that.

Second, is the DA capability for fast reloads using moon clips or speedloaders. Usually, with an animal, it's all over in 6 rounds or less. Once in a while though, you might miss and cripple the animal. Then, you've got a pissed off animal that has slowed down but not stopped and you need to reload. Fine motor control disappears during stress shooting, and you're going to have a tough time shucking shells one at a time in through a SA loading gate.

I had to shoot a wild dog one time that was a pit bull cross weighing around 60 lbs. I'd been out target shooting and had kept back 6 rounds in a Colt 38 special. This dog surprised me, charging out of some dense brush from about 25 yards away. I put five rounds, SA, into the dog with the last round breaking his shoulder. He stumbled just before he reached me, allowing me to jump out of the way. As he went past, I tried to put the last round into his eye but wound up putting the round just behind his ear and he went down. He didn't get up again, but he did breath on for a few minutes and made me regret not having any more ammo on me. If I had more ammo, and he had gotten up, I would have needed a quick reload which a DA gives you.

And yes, having shot a handful of animals intent on doing me harm, I highly recommend SA and accurate placement of shots!
 
There is NO PLACE IN THIS WORLD for DA in the field. NEVER EVER fire a gun DA at an animal. That's why God gave you SA, so you could PLACE the shot. DA is for self defense close up and personal, not for accuracy at range.
The problem with that kind of absolute is that you can just about guarantee someone will be along to provide the exception. After firing approximately one zillion double action rounds in competition and practice at ranges to 50 yards, I shoot DA nearly as well as SA.

I certainly expect to shoot SA at game, but on one occasion I shanked my first SA shot and hit the boar somewhere in the middle. A fast DA follow-up through the boiler room saved my bacon, so to speak.

This is not meant to be an ad for DA, as I spend most of my time in the field with a single action, but to say NEVER NEVER NEVER regarding DA shots in the field is a mistake, as far as I am concerned.
 
Unless you're a PPC champion, then, you are not going to be accurate at any range in DA. I'm decent in DA and I have to take my time and stage the trigger at 25 yards on 6" plates. I can shoot 'em SA actually faster. I'm no PPC shooter, though.

A .357 blackhawk was PAINFUL? :rolleyes: I can't see THAT one! I've shot .44 mag TC Contenders back to back with a Superblackhawk and I can tell ya, the Ruger was fun, the TC was not. I have a TC I hunt with and I've fired .45-70 out of a TC, ain't that I can't shoot it, but the web of the hand suffers. The Single action, properly held, rolls in the hand and absorbs the punishment. I have a .45 Colt barrel for my TC. Hot loads in it hurt, in the Ruger are fun! I loop my little finger under the grip frame and on recoil, I can roll the gun back down with the little finger as I cock the gun. It's fast and comfortable for me.

Also, you can go for a bigger grip on SA guns. You aren't stuck with the grip given you by Ruger. Here's one I put on my 6.5" .357 for hunting. It ain't very western looking, but it fills the hand. I bought it for cheap at a gun show, have no idea who made it. I don't NEED it to shoot the gun comfortably. .357 is mild in a blackhawk, try a 12 ounce Scandium Smith with full house loads sometime. I mean, the gun is 40 ounces! No .357 is going to recoil all that much in such a big gun. But, if I ever had a problem with a blackhawk's recoil, maybe a Linebaugh conversion or something, this grip would surely help. The .357 has such a light recoil, though, I don't really need the grip on this gun for that. It just sorta fits me well, like the finger grooves. Link posted, large pic.

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=36061&d=1140748446

Second, is the DA capability for fast reloads using moon clips or speedloaders. Usually, with an animal, it's all over in 6 rounds or less.

No, there's no spray and pray in the field. Either you hit the animal with the first shot or he's gone. I've been hunting since the age of six and I'm now 55. I've never been able to get off more than 3 rounds on ANY animal I've ever fired at. On a charging bear or something, you'll be lucky to get off a back up shot. You'd better make one count. Reloading speed is simply NOT an issue for me in the field. If it were, I'd go with a 10mm Glock because I ain't worth a toot with speed loaders. In the case of bears, I'd think the caliber would be far more important than firepower. I'd be packin' a Freedom Arms in a big caliber if I lived in brownie country, I mean, if it couldn't be a rifle. The .45 Colt would work fine on anything in the lower 48. I've never had the chance to reload a weapon on an animal. The only exception might be when the doves are flying in thick. I've had occasion on a double gun to wish for ejectors rather than extractors. :D
 
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MCgunner is dead on...

BTW, for all of you that think "cocking" a SA is the end of the world, it takes 0 time to do it and frankly is natural.

Again, if the OP is going to get a .357, please seriously consider getting it in a 6" barrel. It will make a difference in the performance.

I have never understood the idea of carrying a SD type weapon when hunting. I do understand carrying a backup for hogs / bear and just to tool around (two legged predators which are increasingly coming into contact with hunters) but carrying a cocked in locked 1911 is a bit much.

When Hog Hunting I carry a Win 94 trapper (16" barrel) in .357 and a Ruger GP100 or Ruger blackhawk in .357 with 6" barrel. I bought the DA first and am unwilling to part with it...

The combo works extremely well. Honestly though, I have only had to shuck the revolver 2 times.
 
There is a difference between a deliberate shot at a game animal being hunted for meat and dealing with an angry and nasty animal at close range. It seems to me that when hog hunting as the man said he was, the carbine would be the primary weapon and the handgun a back up. If you need a handgun for a hog charging you, I believe the ability to deliver several ACCURATE shots quickly would be helpful. It is certainly possible with sufficient practice and instruction to deliver rapid and accurate shots double action. Single or double action revolver doesn't matter on a deer at 30 yards because I would expect one would always shoot in single action mode. An angry hog at close range is different...I too have hunted since I was a kid and was a cop. An angry hog on the charge is more like shooting a dangerous man at close range charging at you with a knife except the hog can be faster and harder to stop...My friends in Alaska advise me that the most popular weapon for bear defense is a 12 gauge or better with a short barrel and loaded with 000 or 00 buckshot. It needs to be quick to use and put out a lot of lead in a hurry...Just my opinion. Thats it for me on this...Thanks
 
Maybe I haven't read carefully enough but I am still unsure what the OP intends to defend himself from. Certainly if he is more concerned with two legged predators than four the DA makes lots of sense -- and the books are full of reports of evil people doing evil things away from civilization. As for the claim that repeat shots from SA are just as fast as those from DA, well, let's just say I disagree. If any of you lightning fast SA folks are ever in my neck of the woods, we'll call this a standing offer to go shoot so that you can open my eyes for me. :)

Moreover, even if the OP is concerned with defending himself from mountain lions or wild boar or something equally unlikely, I believe he has the best chance of success with DA. Fast accurate DA shooting can be learned with a few months of conscientious practice. Perhaps not to a high master level, but to a "decent chance of saving his own hide" level. Fast accurate SA shooting is also a learnable skill, but I hold that learning it takes a great deal more practice. DA supplanted SA for policework in what, 1930? 1940? Perhaps that change took place for no real reason -- but I doubt it.

Overall, though, my opinion remains that either the SA or the DA will do anything the outdoorsman should reasonably expect to need doing, and so the matter still comes down to personal preference.

HTH!
 
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