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Double barrel durability?

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by 2ndamd, Oct 19, 2013.

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  1. 2ndamd

    2ndamd Member

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    Hello,

    I am looking for a double barrel that will stand up to 3in magnum 00 buck and slugs being the steady diet.
    Any suggestions?
     
  2. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    Yes!

    Put a chiropractor on retainer!!

    You will need him sooner, if not later.

    Any quality double-gun from Browning, Beretta, etc. will stand up to 3" mags and slugs longer then you will.

    Were I going to shoot 3" mags exclusively, I would buy a gas-operated semi-auto to help manage the severe recoil.

    rc
     
  3. rugerdude

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    Browning's lowest priced Citori is the Satin Hunter I think. Sometimes goes for as little as $1100 at Dick's. I believe it will shoot up to 3.5" shells as well. That would be my pick for a double to put heavy loads through.

    As far as a side by side, I'm not sure what to recommend, but a SxS will generally cost more than an equal quality O/U
     
  4. GRIZ22

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    Keep in mind a properly set up SxS will have the barrels regulated so the barrels will cross at some point which wouldn't help help you shooting slugs.
     
  5. LeonCarr

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    Steady diet of 3 Inch Magnum 00 Buck and Slugs?

    When did they move Jurassic Park to Missouri? :)

    On the subject of a durable double barrel shotgun, they start with the various Turkish made doubles and go up into the stratosphere from there. I would choose one with a really good recoil pad.

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
  6. peacemaker45

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    Why usually kills doubles isn't shooting them, it's slamming them closed.

    But I'll admit to being puzzled, like the rest. What are you doing that involves a double and a steady diet of magnum buck and slugs?
     
  7. Virginian

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    Get a Baikal. I tried one for duck hunting. It was a bit heavy and I didn't like the aesthetics all that much, but I would bet money it would go a loooong time. The Russians do build them hell for stout. No telling how a SxS will shoot slugs until you try it. Double shotguns are not like double rifles with the barrels sighted to converge; if the center of the pattern is only 1-1/2" different no one cares. And, for all the terror inspired by buck and slugs, the old 1-7/8 ounce heavy lead loads had more oomph on the back and front ends.
    For wingshooting there are many I would prefer to a Baikal, but for buck and/or slugs I would try it.
     
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    Get a 600 nitro derringer Then only hand will hurt :D. Sorry my old body won't do well with any 3" So I stick to weaker loads
     
  9. 2ndamd

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    Thank you all for the suggestions.
    It will be used for home defense and tactical training.
    Pumps and semi autos will not work for wife.
    Revolvers and double barrels for us.
    I want her to train with the real ammo she will use if need be.
    Lord willing, she will not need it.
     
  10. huntsman

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    I like the SXS for hunting and as a defensive firearm, I routinely shoot slugs out of my BSS and at 50 yards I'm quite pleased with the groupings.

    But are you willing to spend the money for a quality double? personally I wouldn't screw with anything imported from South America, Russia or Turkey.

    That puts you in the 1K and above range. New guns Browning and Berretta. Miroku, maybe a Red label, SKB are some modern brands I'd buy used.

    I would recommend avoiding used American guns unless you know how to evaluate doubles because there can be some real dogs out there.
     
  11. Fred Fuller

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    If your consideration in selecting a SxS is for your wife's comfort, STAY AWAY from 3" magnum loads. They are overkill for HD and will cause her problems due to recoil, almost guaranteed. Standard or reduced recoil 2.75" slug and buck loads will do just fine at close range - it's a LOT more important to get good hits than to shoot artillery equivalent payloads, and the lighter kicking loads will definitely contribute to that in training and practice.

    And there's nothing wrong with light birdshot loads for training and practice, as long as each shooter knows for sure where a given shotgun hits and how it patterns with loads that will be used 'for serious.' Look at the suggested ammo requirements for shotgun classes as taught by most any well known instructor.

    Just out of curiosity - what's the issue with pumps or semiautos?
     
  12. peacemaker45

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    Ok, I don't mean to be derogatory, insulting, or negative, but I think that's a really bad idea. I know that it seems like if your life is at stake, you want all the power you can get, but that's really not the case. In fact, even standard power buckshot and slugs are somewhat excessive in a defensive role. They've developed quite a reputation for overpenetration, which is ironic, given penetration concerns are about half the reason people choose shotguns to begin with. After all, extra power does no good if all it accomplishes is drilling bigger holes in the landscape behind your target. Also, extra power won't make up for poor marksmanship, but extra recoil may very well cause poor marksmanship.

    Most police departments, in fact, have gone to reduced recoil loads, rather than magnums.

    Then too, there's your insistence on the double barrel platform. It sounds like you're concerned about complications. I'm not sure that's warranted, though. They've pretty well figured out how to build repeaters, and even though the machine is more complex, using it is much simpler. That's particularly important in a stressful situation.

    Consider this: with a double barrel, if you need four shots, you're going to have to deactivate the safety, point, shoot, point, shoot, break the gun, get the shells out of both chambers, grab two more shells from somewhere, load both chambers, close the gun, point, shoot, point, and shoot.

    With an auto loader, the gun does most of the work for you, so all you've got to do is turn it on, point, shoot, point, shoot, point, shoot, point, shoot.

    While it's slightly more likely that an auto loader will have a mechanical issue along the way, there's an excellent chance that the double would suffer a human error, especially if your wife is only vaguely intestine in shooting, and is practicing because you want her to.

    Now I can run a double. I've spent untold hours learning to do it. I've shot loads of matches with one. I won a state championship shooting one. I've placed well in regional events with one. And I don't use one for defense. An old 1100 is so much simpler.
     
  13. 2ndamd

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    Thank you gor all the ideas and suggestions.

    She is comfortable with a double barrel. We have neen trying them out.

    I was not sure if a stoeger will stand the test of time?
    i almost bought a Ruger red label and washing going to have the barrels cut down. But, i wanted to ask here first.
    I will look at the Baikel (sp?).

    Any other ideas or experience with stoeger?

    I could get a Beretta but some here may not like that i will cut it down.

    Or, the gunsmith will not me.
     
  14. Fred Fuller

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    There's nothing wrong with the simplicity of a double barrel. My mom's 'house gun' until she was in her late 70s was a shortened Sears-marked 311 20 ga. - we replaced it with a 9mm carbine when the recoil of the 20 got to be too much for her.

    In fact, IMHO, there's nothing wrong with the simplicity of a single shot in trained hands, if that's what's available when the ball opens. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhgwHQCJwWw ...

    If that's what she - and you - are comfortable with, a SxS will do fine. Just don't overlook training and practice - the SHOOTER is the critical element here, so long as the shotgun and ammunition are reliable.
     
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    And neither will 3" magnum loads

    NOT necessary for HD, simple, regular 2-3/4" loads will do the job and not kill on both ends
     
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