Down with Rimfire! AKA centerfire 22 pistol issues

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Side note

In Mexico, .22lr rimfire is all the people are allowed to have.

This explains why Aguila is such a big, diverse player in the .22lr market :)
 
He said this is the The absolutely WORST ammo .
You still haven't read his post because he didn't say that at all.

He said that the WORST ammo shot into 1" at 50 yards while the American Eagle shot into half an inch at 50 yards.

Besides that, the important thing in the post wasn't the relative merits of the ammo listed, it was that the WORST ammo STILL SHOT INTO 1" AT 50 YARDS.

There aren't very many folks who can shoot 1" groups at 50 yards with a pistol. I think it's very safe to say that if you were one of them you would already know what ammo to use...
 
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I don't do alot with 22 as I assumed bigger is better for SD rounds so I only used 22s for possoms and the like. Now I'm seeing they give alot of bang for the buck in practice.
Now with this statement is where you should learn to specify a cartridge and not use the caliber in general. The M-16 that you said was the first rifle you ever fired is also a .22 caliber firearm.
If you say the .22lr (a cartridge) then people can better understand your remark as a rifle/carbine chambered in .223 ( like the M-16/AR-15) makes a fine defensive firearm.
 
7.62, dude get that Mark II you were talking about ! They are highly accurate, lots of fun and probably the best selling rimfire semi auto pistol in the U.S. maybe the world. I assure you that you will not regret it ! 2 bricks of .22 won't last very long though, you'll have to go and get more. :cool:
 
I have always liked the 5.5 mm Velo-Dog cartridge myself.

It is a center fire cartridge for revolvers which gives .22LR equivalent ballistics. It is designed for shooting dogs from bicycles.

Clever people, the French!:D
 
The oldest continously produced ammunition in the world is the .22 short cartridge.

The reason .22 Rimfire ammunition has lasted for so long because it is still the BEST at what it does.

One of the hottest new rounds of the past 10 years is the .17 Hornady Magnum. It already has become more successful than any previous .17 caliber round. And why is this? It's because for what it was designed for rimfire works just fine.

I am glad that you learned so mush abour Messrs. Berdan & Boxer and the reasons they invented their respective priming systems. Too bad you don't seem to be able to learn as well here.
Many people feel Berdan is the father of CF even if it feel out of favor due to cost.
What makes you thiunk cost has anything to do with that? It's the ease of reloading that decided that. Which is why boxer prevails in the USA and other countries where reloading is common and why Berdan is so common in the rest of the workd where reloading is frowned upon or outright outlawed.


sevenpoint62mm said;
He said this is the The absolutely WORST ammo . Did I request whats the worst ammo I can buy? Or did you just not bother to read my post?
Or did YOU not bother to read his post?
What Powderman said was clear to me.

Powderman stated:
The absolutely WORST ammo I tried put ten rounds into 1 inch, sandbagged at 50 yards. The gun likes the following ammo:

1. Winchester T22, 10 rounds into 1/2 inch.
2. Federal American Eagle 40 grain solid, right at the same measurements.
3. Wolf Match Target .22, a hair above 1/2 inch, ten rounds at 50 yards.
(Note: Wolf Match Target is actually SK Jagd .22, made in Germany.)
Now to recap... He stated that the WORST ammo he found would still give 1" groups. Now look at the group sizes for the three brands he recommended.

Now sevenpoint62mm, can you not read or just not do simple mathmatics?


Once again Wil Terry has summed it up rather succinctly.
 
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Some of y'all deserve a medal for your persistance and patience here; courage above-and-beyond the call under a withering barrage of inanity.
 
BluesBear who reloads 22? Come on, your just flaming without anything to flame about. Boxer is cheaper to produce so it became the de facto. Thanks la~ bye
 
This is starting to make my head hurt.:banghead:

But, you used to be able to buy primed, unloaded 22mag brass from at least on maker to roll your own.
 
BluesBear who reloads 22? Come on, your just flaming without anything to flame about. Boxer is cheaper to produce so it became the de facto.
But Berdan is the de facto in Europe. Are you saying it's cheaper to produce Berdan in Europe?

Also, I would like to point out that you completely missed the base with this answer. The discussion of Boxer/Berdan can have absolutely no relationship or connection to reloading .22 since Boxer and Berdan are CENTERFIRE priming methods and .22 is a RIMFIRE cartridge.

I may be way off track here, but does anyone else keep thinking of mustang45? M.O. is very similar...
 
But Berdan is the de facto in Europe. Are you saying it's cheaper to produce Berdan in Europe?

John read http://www.aeroballisticsonline.com/ballistics/propellants.html

Also, I would like to point out that you completely missed the base with this answer. The discussion of Boxer/Berdan can have absolutely no relationship or connection to reloading .22 since Boxer and Berdan are CENTERFIRE priming methods and .22 is a RIMFIRE cartridge.

:uhoh: Take a deep breath and relax. I'd like to point out reloading 22s was never even mentioned before the Berdan/Boxer relationship was talked over. As far as I know reloading 22 is a waste of time considering the low cost of 22 rounds. The Berdan/Boxer comments have nothing to do with reloading and where you got that I'm not sure.

As far as mustang45 I'm not sure who he is or why you feel the need to make this thread personal. From the PMs you've been sending me I sense you got some anger management issues. If this discussion is too much for you feel free to stop reading.
 
"I may be way off track here, but does anyone else keep thinking of mustang45?"

I was starting to think the same thing. Syntax is similar, and this is sure heading the way of the infamous "Guns in rest stops thread".
 
Okies well I'm done here. I got some really good info and learned alot about rimfire 22. Thanks again all, plan on getting that Mark 2 this weekend. :)
 
From the PMs you've been sending me I sense you got some anger management issues.
From reading this, I sense you have some serious reading comprehension issues.

Here are the PMs I sent you. I have removed all of your responses because I don't think it would be right to post what you sent me in private.

Before you accuse me of modifying these you should remember that the moderators can verify the content.

Re: rimfire thread
I didn't say I wouldn't read it, I said I wasn't looking for a reply.

The reason I said that was because if you got it--if it had made sense to you--then what I said would have been all you needed to hear--and if you didn't get it--if it didn't make sense to you--then there would be nothing more I could say that would get the point across.

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JohnKSa wrote on July 1st, 2004 03:37 PM:
I never called you a screw-up--I said that you could BECOME a screw-up--just like anyone can if they don't deal with their screw-ups properly.


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And yet you typed a good half page trying to convince me of "the facts" after I told you I wasn't even looking for a reply...

Come on kid. Like I said before, the only one you have a chance of convincing is yourself.

I'm very sorry to have wasted your time. And mine too, I suppose.

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sevenpoint62mm wrote on June 30th, 2004 11:51 PM:
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JohnKSa wrote on July 1st, 2004 05:07 AM:
Ok, chief, here's the problem and it has nothing to do with the title of the thread. It's painfully clear that 24 hours ago you had no clue as to the practical difference between a rimfire round and a centerfire round. But NOW, you're an expert on the sales figures for rimfire AND shotgun shells.

You might even be right, but it doesn't matter. You missed the whole point and there's a good chance you are going to keep on missing the point.

You screwed up. It happens to all of us--it's just part of life. I have a good memory and sometimes when there's nothing to do, my screwups play back in my head for me. Trust me, there are plenty of them for me to review.

But there's a difference between screwing up and BEING a screw up.

Do you know what to do when you screw up? You admit that you screwed up--even if only to yourself--and then you go on with life. You try to do better next time.

If you keep trying to make it look like you didn't screw up, or like your screw up was no big thing--all you're doing is continuing to screw up. If you do that long enough then you BECOME a screw up. You can't ever move on because you wrap yourself up in each screw up until you can't ever leave it behind and go on with life.

You know what's worse? When you keep arguing that you didn't screw up, the only person you have a chance of convincing is yourself. It's truly wasted time--worse than wasted time because not only is the time gone, the only possible lasting effect is your self-delusion.

Keep asking questions and don't be afraid to admit it if you screw up.

Also remember that when you ask a question, sometimes it's going to be elementary, and sometimes someone will jump on you over it. That's ok, because that's THEM screwing up, not you.

One more thing. There are a lot of really smart folks on this forum. There are a lot of folks who aren't so smart but know a lot of useful things. This is a really BAD place to hang out if your thing is trying to convince people you know more than you do. It's a great way to screw up.

There's nothing wrong with starting at the beginning--everyone does. And I'm not saying that you know nothing. I'm just saying that the beginning is where you are NOW. Don't feel bad about starting where you are now, and don't pretend you're farther along than you are. It never works out for long.

I'm not looking for a reply back from this. Maybe it makes sense to you, maybe it doesn't.

Good shooting,

John

P.S. I've had good luck with Federal Classic .22LR ammo. Quite frankly, a good pistol and decent ammo will outshoot you unless you're a truly outstanding shot. I've seen a stock Mark II put 10 rounds of non-match ammunition into less than an inch at 25 yards. Wolf .22LR ammo is pretty good too. It's made by an Austrian or German company unlike the rest of the Wolf line that is Russian made. But don't go spending a lot of money on match ammo--most folks won't ever shoot well enough with a pistol to make it worth the extra expense. Start with the Federal Classic and you'll be able to tell when you need better ammo.
 
But, you used to be able to buy primed, unloaded 22mag brass from at least on maker to roll your own.

Believe it or not, I think you still can.

I saw in a recent issue of Handloader magazine (I think) that you can buy a type of .22 "basic" brass to handload. I'll try to find it.
 
Oh good grief.

For someone who purports to know so dang much about priming systems how in the heck did not know the difference between centerfire and rimfire?

As far as I know reloading 22 is a waste of time considering the low cost of 22 rounds.
That is the second dumbest thing you have said in this thread. Rimfire ammunition is NOT reloadable. Period. End of story.
Reread paragraph one above.

Interesting link you posted, however, if you had read it completely you would have known that rimfire was not reloadable.



JohnKSa, Remember that Mustang 45 was not just one single person. It was several people writing under the same nick.
But you are right this is heading the way of the infamous Rest Stop thread.




Sorry but I really don't care about or have time for stupid folks. Folks got a right to be wrong, stupid or both. (sm THR 05-06-04)

Some theories are neat, plausible and wrong. (Grump THR 06-16-04)

It would appear that for some, no explanation is required... for others, no explanation will do. (Baba Louie THR 09/29/03)

Even if the other person is absolutely and completely WRONG, they've usually got a decently thought-out argument to back up their clueless posts (M.Irwin TFL 07-12-2001)
 
Remember that Mustang 45 was not just one single person. It was several people writing under the same nick.
I didn't know that.

But that's very interesting... I thought that the PMs didn't match the writing style of many of the posts.
 
Is this a good time to discuss the 32 ga shotgun shell?

I'm looking at a spent hull...

The dealie in the middle has a dent - so that be a centerfire or what? :D :D

Anyone have a pipe cleaner handy and a napkin...I'm laughing so hard I have tears in my eyes and part of my Reese's is under the "&/7" key...hold up <pop off key, clean chocolate, snap key back on> ...okay all better now. :D
 
I thought so.
I deleted all my responses to a thread in shotguns for obvious reasons.
Remember that Mustang 45 was not just one single person. It was several people writing under the same nick.
I didn't know that either...then again that is the reason I use the search function a bunch along with PM and emailing you folks.
The older I get - the more I realize what I don't know.
 
"Remember that Mustang 45 was not just one single person. It was several people writing under the same nick."

I was in the dark about that one too, although it does explain why his (or their) arguements took so many turns. Much like this one actually.
 
John when are you going to move on? And how does a store mislabeling a product have anything to do with this?

As you said in your letter Keep asking questions and don't be afraid to admit it if you screw up.

Also remember that when you ask a question, sometimes it's going to be elementary, and sometimes someone will jump on you over it. That's ok, because that's THEM screwing up, not you.

But there's a difference between screwing up and BEING a screw up.

I admitted I was wrong, when are you going to admit you were just as wrong? By your own defintion your screwing up. So are you going to stop being a screw up and help, or are you going to be screwed up? Are you going to live by your logic or keep on your current path.

To quote you from elsewhere

That forces us to one of two conclusions.

1. You are telling the truth. In which case you are intentionally trying to irritate people.

2. You are full of it.

Either way, the result is the same. You are to be ignored.


Kinda hard living up to your own words isn't it? Lets drop this and start making these post worth something.
 
how does a store mislabeling a product have anything to do with this?
I'm sure it's totally irrelevant--no doubt that's why you accused me of being homosexual when I asked which store it was... ;)

BTW, since you're referring to my PMs again--which of them showed anger management issues?
 
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