DPMS 5.56 Sportical for $1000 - Should I Buy?

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Instead of talking up your asses, run 10 of your Bushmasters against 10 Colts on a 3k carbine course and see what the failure rates of each are.
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And while you're playing around with your Colt at a cute little carbine course, I'll be out serving warrants with my Bushmaster.:neener:
 
And while you're playing around with your Colt at a cute little carbine course, I'll be out serving warrants with my Bushmaster.
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Then I truly hope you have a Colt in your car as backup when, not if, the Bushmaster fails. :neener:


And on a more serious note, what kinda budget does your LE dept. have to not issue GTG gear?
 
I thought that chart was considered VERY outdated? Many AR15.com posters have told me that recently.
 
the chart is total garbage.

i have a dpms and the chart with dpms on it states that they don't stake the gas keys or have m4 feedramps and i have both on my rifle. i can provide photographic evidence if the masters at colt will allow timradcliff to view such blasphemy.
 
againstthegrane: the chart does not say that DPMS doesnt stake the BC, it just says it doesnt do it properly IIRC. as far as m4 feed ramps, many people are confused as to what that is. I have seen time and time again where someone makes a post (including a picture) of what they think is m4 ramps, and it turns out they're wrong. All ARs have feed ramps, not everyone has m4 ramps. M4 feedramps is when the ramps are extended into the aluminum upper reciever of the weopon, whereas the non m4 feedramps are entirely incorporated on the lug area of the barrel. Im not going to completely discredit you, but you are the first person who has a DPMS with m4 feedramps that I have heard of. That being said, I think m4 feed ramps are waaaayyyyyy overated/useless in semiautomatic weapons, even more so with the invention of the beloved Pmag(this seems to have resolved previous feeding problems that worn out GI mags encountered).
 
To get back to the OP's question...

Someone is selling a brand new one for $1000 ..

To buy or not to buy is the question..
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DPMS makes good guns, and the Sportical is nice. At first glance, I'd say that $1000 is way too high. However, in light of the post-election circus, it very well could be that $1000 is the going rate for that model... or maybe not. I dont know.

My point being... take your time, shop around, and determine what is a fair price. Dont significantly overpay just because you're in a hurry.
 
Instead of talking up your asses, run 10 of your Bushmasters against 10 Colts on a 3k carbine course and see what the failure rates of each are. I can't believe how ignorant some people are. It is a disgrace
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When you go ahead and do this, and provide evidence that the colts will last longer maybe I would consider believing you. Until then stop talking like you know everything.(you have made if very clear that you no almost nothing) Futhermore, not many people use their AR's for shooting thousands or rounds at some training course or competition. And if they did there are better options than colt.

And it is clear that from your previous posts that you have some strange liking of colt products. I seem to remember you asking if colt made the best 1911's in the past.

Also, after a quick look through your posts you didn't even know the going price of a colt, or if they were "decent AR's". Here is the thread http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=409014
 
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You won't find many actual owners of DPMS built rifles who find them to be sub par...just a few armed with a chart made back in the 90's :neener:
 
jpwilly maybe you didnt look hard enough. Go to arfcom and you will find plenty. as for the chart being from the 90s, its simply not true. all you have to do is look at it once to see that charles daly is on there and you will realize that it has been updated in the past 6 months because CD just started making ARs about six months ago. And as for Timradcliffe345, i find it funny that Bartkowski called out your lack of knowledge and showed everyone that you basically just figured out what is what by posting that link of yours where you ask if "the [colt] 6920 is a decent AR". Then here you are just a few days later talking like you know what is going on. Why dont you listen more and post less. BTW: just because an AR is made bushmaster doesnt mean its going to fail, and owning a colt doesnt mean you wont ever have problems. By saying things like that, you keep proving how misinformed you are. In general though, some are better than others especially when it comes to quality control and consistency. But I would hesitate to call everything besides Colt/LMT/Noveske complete crap...especially when one is as new to ARs as you obviously are.;)
 
flyboy1788, actually if you had looked at the chart DPMS isn't even on it! :uhoh: LOL...I've just seen 1 too many charts here - I'm tired of them! :cuss:
 
DPMS used to be but there are like 20 different versions of the damn thing, but believe me i dont put the chart on a pedestal, I just think it is a convenient document that shows you what is what and from there you determine what features are important to you and thus it helps with your decision making. Some people do get to carried away with it thinking it automatically means left side of the chart=perfect and middle and right side=complete junk. I know plenty of people with "lower tier" bushmasters that have ran flawlessly and I know people who have had colts that have goofed up. my post wasnt intended to bash dpms or offend anyone fyi, i was just pointing out what I have seen/noticed:)
 
NC-Mike, thanks for the thumbs up on my Sig purchase. I have to tell the truth, it shoots so well and proved so superior that I went ahead and added a second one to my cabinet. The first is the used SWAT that I picked up, #2 is a brand new OD Green Commando. If the sh*t ever hits the fan, I intend to reach for a Sig... Mud, sh*t or blood, the Sig truly has proven to be " To Hell And Back Reliable".
 
I can tell by your tone you don't much like DPMS LOL! What AR you shooting?
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I meant there are 20 different versions of the damn chart. I have a smith and wesson m&p 15A, and I now have BRD very badly because of it:evil:. I am a poor college student so i can only afford one AR tho:(
 
Aww, troll is gone now, doesnt want to play anymore? I was gonna tell him that I just got done with a 800 round target shoot/ semi torture test, and my Bushy held up as well as anything Ive used in the military. (It was cheaper to shoot than buy empty brass lol)

Anyways, about that sportical, buddy of mine got one, and he can chew threw wolf with no problem. Id not try that in my rifle but to each their own. I was at a shop last week (same shop I got my AR from) and the price was up from 700 to 900 now, so the Obama squeze is starting to set in.
 
Bartkowski

When you go ahead and do this, and provide evidence that the colts will last longer maybe I would consider believing you. Until then stop talking like you know everything.(you have made if very clear that you no almost nothing) Futhermore, not many people use their AR's for shooting thousands or rounds at some training course or competition. And if they did there are better options than colt.

And it is clear that from your previous posts that you have some strange liking of colt products. I seem to remember you asking if colt made the best 1911's in the past.

Also, after a quick look through your posts you didn't even know the going price of a colt, or if they were "decent AR's. Here is the thread http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=409014
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My apologies to Timradcliffe345, I couldn't resist doing that. :)
 
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NC-Mike, thanks for the thumbs up on my Sig purchase. I have to tell the truth, it shoots so well and proved so superior that I went ahead and added a second one to my cabinet. The first is the used SWAT that I picked up, #2 is a brand new OD Green Commando. If the sh*t ever hits the fan, I intend to reach for a Sig... Mud, sh*t or blood, the Sig truly has proven to be " To Hell And Back Reliable".
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I paid 1,300 for mine about 9 months ago. It came with just the back-up folding sight. I figured that for a decent price back then. With the way things are going right now, I imagine you can find Sigs going for close to 2K on Gun Broker now. :scrutiny:

As far as the Sportical going that high right now... well we are in the midst of a panic like no other in that past 10 years, save for the original AWB. It is what it is. Everyone who wants something now is going to have to ask themselves the question of whether the asking price is worth the risk of not being able to get what they want later.

I have 2 Bush Master rifles and when I saw things going south a couple months ago I bought a DPMS AP4 upper from Cheaper than Dirt that was on sale for 399.00. Found a assembled DPMS lower for 205.00 and figured it was fate so I bought it and put the rifle together. I like it a lot. I've only had it out twice and put 125 rounds through it but it hasn't hic-cupped yet. Its not a chrome-lined barrel but that really isn't important to me. DPMS makes a good rifle.

What are the Century Sporters going for now? See any of them around? I bet not...
 
flyboy....this is how my rifle came from the factory.

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as you can see the grooves are cut into the UPPER making them M4 RAMPS. since you're an expert, you probably already knew that.

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not pretty, but definitely properly done...

let this be a lesson to you, don't believe everything the interweb fanboys tell you.

lesson number 2...just because YOU haven't seen it, doesn't mean they're not out there.
 
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My DPMS has a better stake job than my Bushmasters but it doesn't have M4 ramps.
 
None of those auctions are over yet. Search the completed auctions.

One was sold yesterday for 875.00 and a couple didn't meet the 999.00 reserve and went unsold. And one did sell for 999.00.

Looks like folks are looking for that 1,000 price tag.

I'd look long and hard before I paid it. Hell I just checked Classic Arms. He still has the Century Sporters AR15-C in stock for $719.95

I go that way in a heart-beat if they really want 1,000 for the Sportical. At least the Century rifle has sights on it...

For another three hundred dollars you could probably buy a used A3 upper on AR15.com and have two configurations for the same price. :)
 
Timradcliffe345
Instead of talking up your asses, run 10 of your Bushmasters against 10 Colts on a 3k carbine course and see what the failure rates of each are. I can't believe how ignorant some people are. It is a disgrace.
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Timradcliffe345
I am able to buy a NIB COlt 6920 for $1450, is that a fair price? I need to know soon whether or not I should push ahead with this. Is the 6920 a decent AR?
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Timradcliffe345
Looking at a DPMS lower. What is ya'll's opinion of the DPMS lowers? Thanks.
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Hey dude, where do I sign up for the express crash course on becoming an industry expert? I want to belittle people too and I don't want to wait years to gain practical experience.
 
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nc mike, that pic is great man. i bout fell out when i saw it, then when i put ratcliffs name to it in my head,,,,imagining him reading barts post and linking him to the colt questions from just a week ago,,,,,,,,just wow man. wow, lol.

it cracks me up to see the pickup truck commandos fumble the ball like that.


ive only had 2 brands of ar15. a colt 6700c match target rifle and a bushy hbar shorty.


of those 2 the bushy is hands down a better rifle.

better fit (no need for the accuwedge that the colt came with)

more accurate (which is crazy since its a 20" 10lb target rifle vs. a 6lb 16" rifle. and im not talking just a little more accurate, im talking 1.75-2.00 vs sub moa)

see this thread, post number 8.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=5088537#post5088537


and more reliable (the colt didnt jam much, but the fact is the bushy never has, not once, ever, through 5000+ rounds)


so i dont argue when the weekend commandos that rag on it and all the others they dont own. i dont need their narrowminded opinions to tell me which is the best rifle ive ever owned.


original poster, if you want the dpms, go for it. ive seen many dpms rifles that were great runners and wonderfully accurate.

as far as the price, they have all gone up.

dont let the commandos talk you into spending more for a rifle that is no better or even worse than the one you have your heart set on.
 
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