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Dpms Ar?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by camoman33935, Oct 5, 2008.

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  1. camoman33935

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    I was looking at a similar model in .308 at a local gunshop. I asked about the reliability seeing as how it was an ar based rifle and all. The owner of the shop told me it had a tendancy to jam early on but seemed to get better with time. He seemed to feel a breakin period was needed.
     
  3. NavajoNPaleFace

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    I bought a DPMS AP4 (civilian version of the military M4) and it shoots great.

    I toped it off with a tactical 3x9-34 scope and I've only put about 400 rounds of test loads through it but not a nary jam.
     
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    Have the same rifle with an A-2 Stock. Shoots everything including wolf through it and works great. My only regret is not getting a flattop for mounting optics instead of the iron sights. No problems with jamming and the factory trigger is slightly heavy but very short.

    :) I like it!
     
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    Its a good rifle but I dont much care for A1 sights. Special K hit the nail on the head with the idea of getting a flattop.
     
  6. W.E.G.

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    DPMS is good product.

    Just make sure you get the one with the features you want.

    Keep buying until you get as many combinations as you "need."

    Let us know when you get that figured out.
     
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    they are great for a little shooting here and there at the range, but i wouldn't take one to a training course or run one too hard, they don't seem to perform as well under hard use like many other models from other makers out there.
     
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    I would not mind the Sportical, simple lightweight.
     
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    I would say DPMS is not a good brand. There are a lot of better options out there. For a little more $$ you can acquire a quality weapon.

    If you're looking for an AR15 that will perform when called for, take a look at the following chart for comparison purposes.

    (Please note that these are all M4 style AR15s of varying degrees of quality)


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    So, according to the chart posted above; DPMS offers a longer warranty than Colt, S&W, or Bushmaster. Just saying.
     
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    camoman33935: The DPMS is NOT up to the same standard as the other competitors.

    The best bang for the buck is the Charles Daly D-M4LE and the S&W. Get something that will serve you well and last a long time - I personally would. We're potentially facing a new ban, why purchase a lower quality AR15 if you might never get a chance to purchase another?

    Browse over to www.m4carbine.net to learn more about the AR15 system.

    Hope this helps. Have a good day.
     
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    DPMS is not bad. Not everyone is an Operator needing the best.

    As other posts said, the A1 sights on the linked-to model are limiting and my old eyes work better with optics.

    Lee
     
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    If you can get a Stag built m&p then you will be good to go for sure.
    if you get a good brand that performs you won't need that warranty anyway. and most gun makers today will take care of you even if you are outside the warranty window, just talk to them and be personable. For example kimber.

    warranties on handguns are a big deal to me, but when it comes to ar's. i will either replace the inerds anyway, and/or i know how and don't need to send anything back.
     
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    DPMS is fine - don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Just know that it is not a top of the line rifle, but it's good and it works well as a range gun.
     
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    Cost/Time(potential ban) restraints :(
     
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    Quote by possum: they are great for a little shooting here and there at the range, but i wouldn't take one to a training course or run one too hard, they don't seem to perform as well under hard use like many other models from other makers out there.


    I can appreciate everyone has a right to their opinion but what is your basis for saying that? I am NOT trying to be arguementative but it would be helpful for information and a learning experience.

    Are your observations from personal experiences or what you have read, etc?

    Is it a matter of internal parts integrity...overall metalurgy, workmanship, strength of structure, or....?

    I've personally known people who dismiss a particular brand while others have very good or decent luck with it. Sometimes people tend to relate negative issues based on what happened to them and that might not be inherant to others.

    I don't put much into charts since anyone can slight a survey or chart to their benefit.
     
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    I would like to know as well. I hear things like this all the time and that AR's of this quality cant be used for anymore then going to the range which makes me stray from them.
     
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    You can put up a chart with all kinds of features and some will shine and some will not.

    It doesn't like many other charts, tell the whole story.

    A better indication would be a chart based on failures vs rounds fired for each manufacture.

    If you based buying a car on a chart designed like the one posted, Volvo's would be the only car that shines.

    But strange how a lowly Saturn will run 100's of thousands of miles safely with little to no maintenace.
     
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    Get what YOU want whatever brand that is.

    People can debate on QC and this and that, when it comes down to it there is Colt then there are the rest. IMHO
     
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    I just put a DPMS AP4 Carbine together and had it out to the range today. I fired about fifty rounds and never had a problem.

    My Bushmaster M4 choked quite a few times during the first 100 rounds through it. It may have had tighter tolerances and needed to loosen up?

    Anyway, the DPMS seems like its a good rifle. Has a better trigger than my Bushies too. :)
     
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    Im finally getting a DPMS Sportical next week. lookin foreward to makein some reports on it.

    ip.
     
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    I have a few thousand rounds threw my AP4 and have gone around as much as 500-600 rounds with out fullyy cleaning it, it gets treated like a work horse like all my other firearms as well, it gets DIRTY AND DUSTY AND COLD AND WET and hasnt failed me yet but once or twice all that was required was to use to forward assist.

    I have a ACOG on it and its damn accurate with good ammo.

    That chart is off a bit by the way. It does indeed have m4 feed ramps and IIRC one guy on here said the gas key was stoked to spec on his

    the barell is indeed 4140 chrome-moly steel though
     
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    i don't do that he said she said bs. when i state something on this forum it is fact that i know to be true, or something that i have seen/experienced myself.

    i am not a weekend warrior, and i am not a square range tiny size group shooter, i train for a fight, therefore i run my guns hard, and i go to training courses. Put it this way i have spent 10days of my life in carbine training courses at a big named company that deals with training, the majority of issues were with DPMS rifles, i didn't dissect the guns when they went down, i didn't have time to get all the details, as i am worried about my training and not so much about the other people there, i would however make notes on brand and such if something did happen. the only time a stag, a bushmaster( i used one), a colt would have trouble was when the operator didn't lube properly. I will have to try to find my notes for the exact amount of issues and numbers of guns that went down. i didn't have any issues, i love grease.

    furthermore, there are folks out there that see more rounds fired down range a year than 99% will shoot in their lifetime, and i have mad respect for them and their opinions, they say that a certain gun, piece of gear etc isn't a fighting gun, or something worth staking your life on then i am gonna take note of that.

    So not only do i have personal experience with folks with guns that went down hard, many experts in the field and many people's experience and opinions that i take very seriously have nothing good to say about dpms. none of my opinions are based soley on the fact of what someone else has said.

    95% of gun owners/ "shooters" will be served just fine with a lower grade ar15 like the dpms, and olympic arms. and 95% will never see the need and the reason for the gun that cost a little more, but runs 100% better.
     
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