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  1. Dookie

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    I spent a lot of time looking for an AR and finally settled on a DPMS LoPro Classic, it was in my price range, under $700, it had everything I wanted, flat top, bull barrel, except an adjustable stock. It shoots perfect with no problems, put almost 1,000 rounds through it and not a single issue, no feeding problem, no ejection problems, nothing.

    The ONLY issue was the trigger, I am so used to all my timney, rifle basix and such that it was a tank. Nothing a new trigger can't fix.

    I would definitely buy a DPMS again. In fact my current build is using a DPMS lower, and will probably use a DPMS upper as they are the only ones I can find with the dust cover and forward assist are deleted. plus they have the hi rise flat top weaver rail.
     
  2. possum

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    that is great, and i am glad that it has performed well for you, try 750rds + a day for a 5 day block, and that will give you a good indication how good that ar really performs. repeat as needed. :)
     
  3. Neener Neener

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    In the DPMS price range you should also be able to find a Daly, Stag, and possibly CMMG. While I do not think DPMS are bad rifles, I would buy one of the others first. Just my uneducated opinion...........
     
  4. taliv

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    yeah, it does tell the whole story.

    strange how if saturns cost the same as volvos, no one would own a saturn.
     
  5. SoCalShooter

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    That's for me to know and not you!
    I have a DPMS AR 15 match upper and it works great shoots under 3/4 in at 100 yards.
     
  6. aliveisalive

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    All i have to say is ive heard good things about nearly EVERY ar brand. Just because some may not take 1000k rounds / a day at a carbine course doesnt mean they are 100 percent worse. I dont know anyone [of course i dont really know any HARDCORE shooters either] that even has the cash to shoot that much in an outing.

    I think the most ive shot at one time out of my saiga is 150 rounds, and that was the first time i shot it. Maybe its because i always have many guns to shoot when im out, but still on the other board i go to, most people seem to shoot only 100-200 rounds out of any one rifle per outing.

    My point? Get whatever you can afford, im sure you shall enjoy it.
     
  7. peck1234

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    Get It!!!!

    Absolutely love MINE!! A1 is the way to go if you a die hard for iron sights.

    Took me 7 months to get mine and let me say that it was well worth the wait!

    Factory sights were wayyy off when I received it, but after sighting in; it is very accurate!

    Get er DONE

    P.S so far Ive put 350 rounds through it will 2 failures to extract...

    Using dirty wolf ammo... a good cleaning after every session and this could be avoided.. I get lazy...
     

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  8. Dookie

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    Send me the ammo, I also take personal checks.

    Or I can put 500 rounds through it in about 3 hours, take it home and clean it, which is how it started life. Either way, I fail to see your point as to why I should waste my time and money on something that has worked perfect for me in the short amount of time I have used it, just to prove you right, or wrong.

    The truth is, DPMS is a fine brand, no it's not as nice as a Colt or Bushmaster, however it also costs hundreds of dollars less and can do exactly the same upgrades.

    Scope snobs, 1911 snobs, and AR-15 snobs, if it doesn't match their perceived "perfection" then it is garbage.
     
  9. Ashaq

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    Seems to me a few of the people here are giving their uneducated opinion. I've had a AP4 for over a year now and put hundreds of rounds through it and haven't had a problem ever. Sure it's maybe not top of the line but if you neglect a top of the line firearm it's just going to turn into a piece of crap. I always clean mine either the same day I come back from the range or the day after and it has always shot perfectly. Mine is a carbine model with a detachable carry handle and I'm damn happy I made this purchase.
     
  10. possum

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    i am not a snob when it comes to guns, there are many ar makers out there that make good stuff, and there are a few that are not so good. if you don't like or appreciate my opinion that is fine, i am just sharing what i know and see. you can kid yourself all day and that is fine too.
    well i hope not. less than 1k rds in over a year time, yeah that is about average for most gun owners, as a matter of fact that is probally above average, and with that kind of use i am sure you will never have an issue.
     
  11. Emfuser

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    This thread smells like barfcom... :barf:
     
  12. innerpiece

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    possum, no offence but get real.. not everyone is a wannabe Spec Operator... not everybody that buys an AR style rifle feels like they should be either.. Not everybody that buys an AR is preparing for "battle" or a "fight" like yerself..
    if folks dont agree with you, or yer "observations, that dosent mean they are "kidding" themselves... it merely means that they are a bit more interested in finding their own truth, rather than shooting in the dark by making decisions based off of yer opinin which we have NO idea if its experienced or not....

    Im not a wannabe SFO.. but I wanted an M4style rifle.. I wanted it to be able to double as a HD/Varmint rifle. guess what, my brother-inlaw isa Navy Spec Operator, been since Y2k.. and he told me to look into DPMS.........

    oh and just so you know, here in the states, (in reality) it dont take 750 rds in one day to defend yerself... nore does it often require an AR.. its usually a couple well placed shots, from a pistol...

    Now Im not training for an end of the world scenario like you may be... but Im pretty shure between a couple SKS's, a DPMS carbine, couple bolt gns in a calibre that starts with .3, and a few pistols, Ill be quite safe n secure out here in the woods till I go lay in the ground...

    you can still train to be a commando with a top end AR, and let folks have success with their DPMS ya know....

    ip.
     
  13. rc109a

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    I guess the question should be asked is what do you intend to do with the rifle? DPMS makes a good product and has good customer service. Charles Daly makes a good product and I have heard they have good customer service. RRA, Armalite, Colt, Stag, CMMG, Saber, and all the rest make good products. How much do you want to spend and what options are important to you?
    I have shot and operated with a lot of those brands and have had good luck with all of them. Some feel better built then others. Some have better features then others, but what is it worth to you? How much are you willing to sink in a rifle that may be shot at the range? People who use an AR as a tool (life depends on it) spend a lot of money since they know their life is worth it. At one point or another I have seen something go wrong with at least one of the rifles listed above (never seen a CD fail that was a result of the gun, only magazine). Most could have been prevented, but others were just parts failing. Almost all were easily fixed and back up and running in minutes. None of those on the chart are garbage. It is a wide variety to choose from and not something that is easy to do for a first time buyer. Take your time and buy what you can afford for the job it will perform. In the end it is your choice and you will live with that decision.
     
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    Peck and the others, glad to see a few other Long Islanders out there. Calverton is a good place to blast. I usually shoot at Islip, only open on Saturdays but a nice little 50 yard range. I shoot the Appleseed range simulator targets with my AR. Be glad to get you sighted in if you ever want to stop by. Bill
     
  16. peck1234

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    Islip Town Rifle, Pistol and Archery Range


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    10 a.m.-4 p.m. Sat. year-round;
    July & August, 5:30-7 p.m. Wed. and Thur.;
    Sept., Oct., Nov., Sun. noon-4 p.m.;
    November (hunting season) also Thurs. 11a.m.-2 p.m.

    Not just Saturday : )
     
  17. possum

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    i train like a "commando" because the 1st time i had to fight for my life, i was forever changed and never wanted to be that unprepared again. i am an nco in the infantry it is my job to shoot move and communicate. that is what i train to do because that is what i have to do to stay alive.

    seems like you are fooling yourself into thinking that the pistol and a few aimed shots will solve all your problems, you need to attend some courses, do some digging, handguns are not as effective as people fool themselves into thinking that they are. caliber dosen't matter a handgun sucks, they are carried for convience and comfort and ease of carry, not because they are the best option. they are carried because that is the only option that we have for carry 9 times out of 10. Any firearms instructer or professional worth thier salt will tell you the same thing. A handgun is or well should be the means to a shotgun/rilfe. (period)
     
  18. X-Rap

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    Possum I think you should just get an ak and forget about it:D
     
  19. possum

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    yeah i got one of those too, but i am seriously thinking about getting on Jim Fullers wait list.
     
  20. wcwhitey

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    Peck, I hope you are right. Either that is the old hours or they just re instituted them again. It got much busier after Huntington closed down and the guys there have been wanting to increase the hours. Good to hear it if that is the case. I will find out today. LOL Bill
     
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    I got the DPMS Panther Bull 20 1:9 in .223. It is very accurate with the cheapy trigger. I did a lot of research over past couple of years before buying. I really liked the Rock River and Bushmaster, but they were another 200-300$. The DPMS offers JD Enterprises trigger as an upgrade.

    These things are as configurable as a PC. Barrel length, profile, twist, chome-lined, coating, chromoly or stainless. And that's just the barrel.

    My DPMS did need some break in. It is accurate out of the box but reliable cycling was not there. This is my first AR.

    So, I pulled the top off and pulled the trigger a bunch and it works much better. I would get the 45$ trigger job(ar15.com) or an aftermarket trigger as the basic one is well, basic. However, I can get sub-MOA at 100 yards with my scope and the 50gr Federal Power Shok bulk ammo (LC brass).

    My dad's Remington 700 VLS and Remington pump 22, both new, required lots of break in as well. So did my Parker Hale 1200 when I had the bolt body and cocking piece replaced.

    The dealer sold it to me with the MIAD grip. Pretty good tech and the surface offers a solid grip.

    I put a Badger Ordnance charging handle lever on it to make it easier with the scope. And I upgraded the bolt release to a DPMS tactical one for single shot shooting.

    I may put the DPMS 4 rail gas block on there to fit a flash light/laser. Okay- my tacti-cool addition. But hey, I actually make use of the flashlight for some hunting.

    DPMS is in St Cloud, don't ya know.

    Pmags are great!
     
  22. vanfunk

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    Correct, not everyone is an "operator" and that's just fine. Where things get disputacious is where folks claim that their "budget" AR is "just as good" as someone else's Colt or LMT or Noveske, et alia. It is just too simple a phrase to apply to the whole spectrum of uses an AR may be called upon to deliver. For a range gun, the good news is that virtually any off-the-shelf AR will perform well in that function. Where "serious social use" is concerned however, some brands simply are built better than others, made of better parts and demonstrating better skill in assembly. In sum, a Colt 6920 is in an inherently better firearm than a DPMS AP-4. It cannot be disputed that the Colt is made better, and made of better parts. What is disputacious is whether or not the added quality (staked gas key, shot peened MPC'd bolt, 4150 CMV steel, etc., etc., etc.) is worth it to the buyer. The futher a particular rifle or carbine strays from the technical data package (TDP), the more likely there will be problems in a "hard use" environment. Just how much more likely? No one can say. Claims that "my DPMS M4 went 10,000 rounds without cleaning, in the jungles of Myanmar" cannot be disputed if, indeed, the weapon did accomplish that stunning feat. Of course, the observation has little relevance outside of simply being a neat story to tell (references like "my DPMS bolt broke after 100 rounds aren't relevant either, taken singly). Some AR manufacturers can sell weapons more inexpensively because it costs them less to manufacture them, because they aren't spending as much on materials and QA/QI/QC. Again, that's fine, if the shortcuts are not important to the consumer. If they are important, then the consumer has to define for himself how important those differences are, and what's on the line - money? life? These are questions of a personal nature and have no bearing on the intrinsic quality of a weapon.

    Not all AR's are created equal by any means- some are truly better than others, and some are not so bad as they are often portrayed. If you subscribe to the Stalinist ethic that "best is the enemy of good enough" then you'll likely do very well with just about any brand. If you need the added assurance of certain features, materials, or quality of assembly, you'll have to pony up the bucks.

    vanfunk
     
  23. peck1234

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    well said vanfunk...
     
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    possum.....if the DOD signed a huge contract for DPMS ARs to replace the ones the military has would you desert? :)

    I guess my point is you accept what you shoot as a soldier to be the best.

    But the military adaptation and use of the Berretta model 92 speaks my case.

    The military has a habit of outfitting soldiers with whatever they can get the cheapest. NOT necessarily what may be the best.
     
  25. Urbana John

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    I bought a used Colt, that wouldn't cycle until I changed the carrier, had to use "FORCE" to operate the bolt!!
    I've got a custom built Sabre Defense that's had some very minor problems.
    Got an Anvil Arms lower with a DPMS parts kit in it, with a custom built Anvil Arms upper--thats REALLY sweet--BUT my DPMS AP4 in 308 is my MBR----It will "rock your world"!!
    I don't think DPMS service is the greatest, but I haven't had anything to complain about.
    I wanted to get the RRA's 308, but they kept setting back their production date on their 308's and it was going to cost a LOT more.
    "If" I could find a reason for another AR,,,it would be a DPMS for sure.
     
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