http://www.slr15.com/ but I am sure that mc223 will have an opnion about these guns, too! Opinions are like a$$ holes everyone has one! Every mfg has skeletons in the closet! MC 223 obviously has such a great deal of money to spend on guns, so let him spend it! WOA is great stuff, John Holliger knows his stuff about competition and varmint rifles! Sully knows his stuff about putting your life on the line! To each his own, But, within the confines of going to war vs playing keyboard commando well let your pocket book be your guide! DPMS is good serviceable goods! Are there better!