Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by ThomasT, Dec 3, 2021.
Off topic: what a fitting statement in your signature for the times we are in.
That's not a bad price for a 7.62x39 AR (or any AR really)
Does the one you ordered take AK mags, or 7.62 C-products?
OK thats makes sense. I really don't keep up with ARs or AKs so I am behind the curve on whats what and whats available. I'm not really an AK guy or an AR guy for that matter but I fully understand why others like them especially the AKs and hold them in such high respect. I did own a MAK-90 for about two weeks I bought for $250 and sold for $750. I just couldn't warm up to the thumbhole stock. I did open it up and was impress how rugged they looked and how simple the mechanism was.
I am almost tempted by the full wood laminate stock version of the AK in the link. Almost. I just haven't figured out why I would need one. I have more guns than what I know what to do with now. Of course needs got nuthin' to do with it right?
Thanks breech. You are the first person to ever comment on it. When I saw it I thought how proper it is because the very people we expect to protect us and keep us safe are proving to be bigger enemies than anyone outside of our own borders.
I didn't order it. Decided to be patent. And wait for a bolt action to come in.
Can't decide if I want a bolt gun in 7.62x39 or 300blk.
On one hand, cheap steel case ammo, on the other I already have a bunch of 5.56 brass and 308 bullets.
I will spare the thread more of my jaded ramblings and leave this link from early October where we discussed this decision to use the DPMS brand this way and why I dislike the decision.
YMMV as usual.
Thanks for that MCB and sorry I didn't see your earlier post on PSA/DPMS. I don't read a lot in the rifle forum. I guess PSA selling the same AKs under the DPMS badge is not really much different than Aldi selling their house brand vegetables that are canned for them by Green Giant.
The AK I liked in the ad I posted a link to sells for just over $800 from Atlantic and I found what looks to be the same rifle at PSA and it was priced just over a thousand dollars. Guess which one I would buy if I were going to buy one?
I had decided to get one of the Ruger American rifles in 7.62x39 but there were none in stock and I wasn't going to pay the $700+ that they were asking on gunbroker. After a lot I thought I gave up on the idea. I have three 30-30s that will do the same thing with lots of ammo on hand and a 30-30 is a much better lead bullet round. But if I saw one of the Ruger 7x39s for around $300 or maybe a little more i would buy it. I have around 3500 of the steel cased ammo on hand now. By the time I shoot that up they should have found a way around the Russian ammo ban.
JJE/PSA is using the brand name, nothing more. They bought an IP asset, they did not purchase the St. Cloud facility nor the manufacturing equipment from Alabama. They’re riding on the coattails of the DPMS legacy in the minds of consumers who don’t understand the DPMS legacy.
But, in the end, a distinction without a difference, really. Different models made on different equipment by different people under ownership of a different company… but it’s pretty difficult to mess up an AR, and producing an AK, eh, there remains a market for it… doesn’t really matter what name is on the side. Not so dissimilar to what’s going on with Winchester, or what happened with Marlin multiple times - when Miroku released a new Winchester model, people still bought it, even though it had no aspect of the Winchester legacy attached to it. When Marlin released their bolt action rifles, same deal - the Remington designed and manufactured bolt guns had nothing to do with Marlin legacy, but consumers bought it…
DPMS made good products, now they don’t make anything, and someone else is making products and slapping the DPMS brand name on the side… it is what it is.
Yes a distinction without a difference unless you knew the people and that is what bothers me, "They’re riding on the coattails of the DPMS legacy in the minds of consumers who don’t understand the DPMS legacy." I know this very well, what was left of DPMS before it was complete shutdown by Ken D'Arcy (before the second bankruptcy not because of the second bankruptcy) was here in Huntsville. I knew several DPMS employees that had moved here when St Cloud was shutdown and DPMS production was brought to Huntsville. I know the legacy of DPMS fairly well and seeing what JJE/PSA is doing with the name bothers me (What Remington did with Marlin was just as bad if not worst).
That said I do not expect everyone to care or let the actions of JJE bother them. JJE bought the name and can do what they want with it, they own it. Other people can spend their money as they see fit. But I also feel somewhat justified in spreading what information I have on how badly DPMS ended and that what JJE is doing with the name has no connection to the original DPMS or even the Remington DPMS in any way other than the name and associated copyrights. If someone knowing that (or not) still wants to buy a DPMS AK, enjoy.
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