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Better ask,bogie.He lives nearby and probably has expert advice.
Driving Through S. Illinois
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Better ask,bogie.He lives nearby and probably has expert advice.
hotpig
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I would not venture into town for any other purpose but to work. There are a lot of really nice people there also.
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As soon as you leave Illinois, take a deep breath, and load up. We folks here in Missouri have no problem with you carrying any way you want to.
Is East St. Louis really that bad? 
We were/are planing a vacation to St. Louis this summer. I think the Arch and Zoo are in East St. Louis and Six Flags is West St. Louis (or just outside West).
I have my Carry Permit and I knew Illinois did not recognize it. I had planned on putting it in the trunk when going through Illinois. I thought I would be fine once I made it into MO (St. Louis), but it looks like I cant have it there either. :banghead:
We were/are planing a vacation to St. Louis this summer. I think the Arch and Zoo are in East St. Louis and Six Flags is West St. Louis (or just outside West).
I have my Carry Permit and I knew Illinois did not recognize it. I had planned on putting it in the trunk when going through Illinois. I thought I would be fine once I made it into MO (St. Louis), but it looks like I cant have it there either. :banghead:
hotpig
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East St Louis Illinois is across the river from the Arch. The Arch and Zoo are in St Louis Mo. Six flags is west of St Louis.
Superlite27
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St. Louis is great. Missouri is vehicle carry and CCW friendly. Everything worth seeing is in St. Louis. Anheiser-Busch Brewery has an excellent tour, the St. Louis Cardinals have a new stadium, and Union Station is pretty cool too. The Arch is nifty, but not CCW friendly.
Do not cross the river into East St. Louis Illinois. The locals will enjoy taking your money almost as much as the police will enjoy taking your guns.
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East St. Louis is not all that bad during the day,as there are some govt buildings and businesses that keep it fairly safe.
It's the 'hood. It's not a war zone. But I sure as hell wouldn't want to be there alone at night.
It's the 'hood. It's not a war zone. But I sure as hell wouldn't want to be there alone at night.
East St. Louis doesn't refer to the east side of the city in the conventional sense, its a city in IL across the river. There are no st louis attraction there short of countless leo's who all tell me they don't stop at stop at stop signs there.
MO honors most permits I believe too so I imagine you won't have too much trouble carrying there.
MachIVshooter
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Interesting. On my way out, I stopped at a little poo-hole gas station just over the IL border from St. Louis. I was alone, and on a motorcycle with Colorado plates and saddle bags at just past 2 AM. Other than a few patrons and the store clerk, the only other person I encountered was a black guy who walked up and saw me struggling to get my bike on it's center stand so that I could lube the chain, as the saddle bags left me no place to grab. He gave me a hand, and then we talked bikes for maybe 10 minutes before I politely told him that I needed to push on.
At no time did I feel that I was in danger, even though it was obvious that I was not a local and had plenty of stuff to steal.
I didn't really feel any more threatened when I stopped in Chattanooga at 11 PM or Atlanta at 3 AM, even though the places I stopped looked exactly like the ratty street corners you always see in an episode of COPS.
I've worked several cases in E St Louis and the surrounding areas including far too many police shooting cases. In the 80s and 90s it was a shooting gallery. For several years they would total over 400 murders a year. 400 people killed every year with a population of about 25000. There were a whole lot more where people were shot, knifed, beaten, etc and not killed. To put that in perspective, taking the average size family, including parents, brother, sisters, and all their kids, every 3 years on average someone in your family would be killed. Every 4 months someone in your immediate family would be a victim of a violent crime and nearly killed.
When we went into ESL, even in day time, we didn't stop for stop signs as we'd draw fire. It was actually a bit safer to travel at night as they couldn't see who you were but you still didn't stop.
Things have gotten better in ESL since the riverboat but it's far from being a town where anyone wants to drive thru and visit. Traveling by it on I-55 or I-64 doesn't really get a person down into the really rough areas of town and since it's really not that big of a town sticking to the interstates doesn't take that long to get past. In fact most people probably don't even realize they've gone past that part of town.
When we went into ESL, even in day time, we didn't stop for stop signs as we'd draw fire. It was actually a bit safer to travel at night as they couldn't see who you were but you still didn't stop.
Things have gotten better in ESL since the riverboat but it's far from being a town where anyone wants to drive thru and visit. Traveling by it on I-55 or I-64 doesn't really get a person down into the really rough areas of town and since it's really not that big of a town sticking to the interstates doesn't take that long to get past. In fact most people probably don't even realize they've gone past that part of town.
ShunZu
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And I bet you stay very busy.
In the 70's, I was on the IL Arson Investigator's Squad, Northwest Fire Dept., Belleville. Howdy.
simmonsguns
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nice truck
MachIVshooter, i want one of thoes. I got a friend arround Eldon MO. with a 2 1/2 ton, POS but i runs, yours looks good.
The worst part of the trip is from KCMO to western Kansas, it's orange barrel season, be safe.
MachIVshooter, i want one of thoes. I got a friend arround Eldon MO. with a 2 1/2 ton, POS but i runs, yours looks good.
The worst part of the trip is from KCMO to western Kansas, it's orange barrel season, be safe.
hotpig
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I started off with the SIAIA Task Force in 1992 after getting my CFI. SIAIA is made up of mostly volunteers so they are pretty much dead right now.
ATF&E started this Task Force three years ago. We cover Madison and St Clair Counties for big ticket items including all fire deaths as well as serious injuries to public servants. We also do explosions in all 39 down state counties as needed by the ATF&E.
Minimum qualifications are CFI or LE but we also have Insurance Company Investigators and other specialists. Many of us have finished PTI and have our CAI.
OSFM provides the dogs so we have one dog at every scene. Being labs they do not mind scrubbing in and scrubbing out at every scene.
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MachIVshooter:
I'm sure your experience is not uncommon. Not everyone from East St. Louis is a thieving crack-addled criminal. I know some good people who live there,and while it's a discussion for another thread they have bought into the cycle of poverty and govt assistance. They simply live in the hood because that's all they know.
In some ways,attempting to better yourself and move away is often seen as selling out.
I'm sure your experience is not uncommon. Not everyone from East St. Louis is a thieving crack-addled criminal. I know some good people who live there,and while it's a discussion for another thread they have bought into the cycle of poverty and govt assistance. They simply live in the hood because that's all they know.
In some ways,attempting to better yourself and move away is often seen as selling out.
I'm actually heading to IL this summer and I take my shotguns for skeet and backyard clays. They are cased and stored in the back of the vehicle. I also purchased a non-resident hunting permit so I could buy shot shells. I've not had any problems so far.
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