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Undead grizzly bear on meth wearing a leather jacket...unstoppable.
 
If you aim at the right spots and hit what your aiming at I guarentee there isn't a drug on the planet that will help him keep coming. It's no different than a very determined individual.
 
keep shooting in the COM til the threat is stopped=problem solved. no matter what caliber pistol is used to bring down a drug-crazed attacker, keep firing till the threat has ceased.

there is no magic bullet 1 shot stopper ,every body reacts different.
 
No matter what defensive handgun I'm practicing with, I practice triple taps. 2 to COM, 1 to the head. I have never had to shoot at a person, but I would hope that this is how I would react to an imminent threat. Even if the guy is drugged up, a round to his CNS will stop him in his tracks.
 
Now kids, this is why when COM hits to the chest net no reaction, we stitch our way up north.
 
Kind of. There is a physiological response that makes people fall over when they get hit. Your brain freaks out and tells your body to fall down. This effect can be mitigated or eliminated by drugs, shock, or adrenaline.

Not everyones response is the same. Hit some people and it just triggers the adrenaline response. In any kind of SD situation, everyones adrenaline is probably already running anyways.

I really wonder how much of the "I've been hit!" - THUD response we hear about isn't just society/Hollywood telling people that being hit by a bullet is a death sentence. As numerous accounts from shootings, war, and hunting demonstrate; it clearly isn't a guaranteed death sentence but your brain can choose to make it so.
 
Drug's do have a tremendous impact on the body and it's response to pain. Some types like .45 ACP, .357 Magnum are most likley going to have better effect on something like that but not very many police officers carry anything bigger than a .40 S&W.
 
My unofficial forum survival guide actually covers this one:

1. Everyone that will ever consider robbing you is a 250 lb bodybuilding crackhead with an insatiable thirst for blood and damn near bulletproof skin. Only semi auto bullets starting with a .4, revolver calibers containing the word magnum, or 12 guage shotguns will do for defense.

2. All firearms are bought for the purpose of defense or SHTF situations. Even if you specifically state that it is for target practice (aka plinking), somebody will bring up tactical use, concealed carry, and "stopping power" at some point in the thread.

3. Zombies are no joke, it can and WILL eventually happen. You're either prepared or you're undead, pick one.

4. Will this caliber kill (insert animal) will result in answers about grizzly bears or drug addicts. It is inevitable.

5. Zinc guns will not last 1k rounds before flying apart and blowing off your hand. Everyone has had a buddy who knew a guy who had an uncle that blew his hand off with a J22 and can now only drive an automatic.

6. If you don't know about something, fake it till you make it.

7. Almost everyone around here can shoot the ass off of a fly at 100 yards firing offhand during a blizzard that came during a freak sandstorm.


hahaha I've seen this a couple times and its still funny as heck...
for the record I have an uncle with 1 arm and he still drives stick :D
 
Didn't the Neanderthals use sticks and stones to fend off T-Rex :eek:

Oh wait ... Mr. T didn't have a gun ... my bad :rolleyes:
 
Didn't the Neanderthals use sticks and stones to fend off T-Rex :eek:

Oh wait ... Mr. T didn't have a gun ... my bad :rolleyes:
We're getting off topic, but early humans and dinosaurs never fended each other off and existed quite a few (million) years apart. You do raise a good point though... T-rex on meth with a leather jacket. I'm going to have nightmares now.
 
Once upon a time, a wise man who had seen the elephant more than a few times was asked what one should expect a GSW recipient to do upon being tagged. His response was to the point.

"You should expect him to continue doing whatever he was doing before he was shot."

Lotta wisdom in that.
 
In all seriousness, even with larger rounds I train for a double tap because I worry that the attack might continue of I don't fire two shots. After that if the attacker isn't still coming towards me I'll determine if he/she is still a threat.
 
The relevent question is whether he stopped what he was doing when the bar was driven through his head, NOT how long he lived afterward .....

The bar was an inch and a quarter in diameter (1.25"), weighed 13.25 pounds, and landed 80 feet away after passing through his head. Makes it a 1.25 caliber, 79500 grain projectile. Minimum initial velocity to travel 80 feet would be about 70 fps at a 45 degree angle, so it had a minimum of about 865 ft-lbs of energy, about the power of a strong 10mm.

He was walking and speaking "within a few minutes" of getting "shot", so apparently the hole through his head would qualify as a 1 shot stop.
 
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In all seriousness, even with larger rounds I train for a double tap

I wouldn't get too attached to the idea of a double tap or "2 to the chest one to the head". In reality, you want to shoot until they fall down or run off. Doesn't matter what shot # you're on - you shoot until they stop attacking.
 
When I was a child I read about a man who had an iron bar driven through his head and lived. I bet it was bigger than 9mm, so multiple shots could be necessary.

It's not a 9mm, but I know a similar story. When I was a kid I had a neighbor whose husband had been in jail for many years. She had basically moved on and wasn't officially divorced, but had a new boyfriend.

Long story short, husband got out of jail, didn't like it, and abducted the new boyfriend. He took the guy down the road and shot him in the head FIVE TIMES with a .22LR pistol and left him for dead. My uncle was actually the one who found him. The victim survived. He had severe brain damage and isn't really "right" anymore (he lives in a home), but he's conscious and and alive. You certainly can't assume that any shot to the head is a death sentence.

Kind of sad that they even let him out. He was out of jail for a grand total of 2-3 days before he was back in for life.
 
Kiln, that's probably the funniest thing I've read all day! And, BTW,with my accuracy potential, the flies are in no present danger. :D
 
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if your in a self defense situation and shoot someone 1-3 times and the remain moving towards your shoot their pelvic bone same goes for bears and other animals that may come straight at you if you shoot the pelvic bone no matter how doped up they are they cant walk i see people practicing 2 to the chest 1 to the head all the time and just laugh gl with that combo in real life i personally practice drawing and shooting 3 center mass and 2 to the hips or pelvic area for a few reasons as i mentioned i immobilizes them and thats 5 rounds so whether your used a semi auto or revolver you can train the same way
 
if your in a self defense situation and shoot someone 1-3 times and the remain moving towards your shoot their pelvic bone

If I'm in a self defense situation, I am going to completely stop the threat as quickly as possible. If 2 rounds COM don't do the trick, I'm moving north towards the head. A shot to the pelvis might immobilize a threat, but it will not always stop the threat if it is intent on harming you.

I will not differentiate between an attacker with a gun and an attacker with a knife or his bare hands. If you were to shoot an attacker who is wielding a gun in the pelvis to "immobilize" him, you have not stopped his trigger finger.

I am not going to train to react one way to a threat with a gun and another way for a threat with a knife. Both will be met with the force needed to stop them as quickly as possible.
 
Yeah and where are the Neanderthals today? Huh? Where?
smoking crack, taking steroids, lifting weights and preparing to break into someones house that only has a 380 for home defense :D
 
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