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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by enichols, Aug 9, 2007.

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  1. enichols

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    DSA Ammunition Warning and 7.62 nato question

    Hi All,
    I was browsing DSA's website today, and in their ammunition warning, they recommend NOT USING...
    Any steel case Russian ammunition
    Any steel case Chinese ammunition
    Chilean 7.62mm that is marked "NATO"
    Cavim 7.62mm from Venezuela
    CBC 7.62mm from Brazil
    Indian 7.62mm from State factory
    1970s production Israeli 7.62mm Browning machinegun ammunition

    OK, so I have heard stories about the Indian stuff being potentially dangerous, but I've never heard anything bad about the Chilean, Venezuelan, Brazilian or Israeli ammo.

    I'm especially worried about the Israeli stuff, because I have probably about 500 rounds of Israeli IMI 7.62 NATO ammo that I don't want to get rid of, but I hadn't heard that it was unsafe to shoot. For what it's worth, the ammunition I have is headstamped IMI 7,62 71 or 72. Does anyone have experience with this ammo? Good? Bad? Ugly?

    Thanks,
    Nic
     
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  2. fletcher

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    Have you tried contacting them to ask why they do not recommend it? It may be dangerous, but then again, it may just jam frequently.
     
  3. Deer Hunter

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    The only problems I've seen with Wolf .308 is bad QC blows up guns. Poorly loaded rounds, etc.
     
  4. Mikee Loxxer

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    I have shot both Chilean FAMAE and Venezuelan CAVIM in my DSA SA58 with no problem at all. I have probably only fired a couple hundred rounds of CAVIM and maybe 40 rounds FAMAE though. I will not shoot it any more. Obviously problems have been seen with the ammo DSA has listed. The are just covering their butts.

    Personally I would err on the side of caution and not shoot the stuff they are listing. The rifle and your face are too valuable.
     
  5. Grayrider

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    The warning stems from experience. We have had guns damaged from shooting ammunition on the list. It is hard to break a FAL, but poor quality control in ammo manufacture can produce rounds that will do so. DSA tries to pass along general warnings to our customers so as to try and save someone losing a quality FAL to cheap ammo.

    Of course no ammo is cheap lately....

    :(

    John
     
  6. AR Hammer

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    China rounds are just plain unsafe.
    Bullet diameters way larger than they should be, hot loads, under power or no powder loads, ect.

    Korean .30-06 Ammo is blowing up semi auto rifles right and left, and it's not on their watch list.
    I personally know of at least 3 M-1 Garands that have been destroyed by Korean ammo, and one Remington semi auto that is now junk because of it.

    Russian military packaged ammo has some quality control issues with it, but I've not heard any horror stories about it.

    Russian Wolf ammo and the like is another story, I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.

    The issue with Israeli, South African, and South American rounds are they use ball powder.
    It's easier to produce and gives the bullets a little more muzzle velocity, but also creates more chamber pressure.

    You should be fine with a good quality, properly designed rifle, but if you use some of the Euro trash or Chinese crap, you may be in for an unpleasant surprise...

    The problem with DSA is they push FAL's all day long, and the rifle is just at the upper ends of it's limits.
    The FAL was never intended to fire a .308 round, and a hot .308 round is dangerous in one...
    Build them from 'Kits' with substandard parts and they are an accident waiting to happen!
     
  7. Bartkowski

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    I bought about 300 rounds of 7.62x39 steel case wolf ammo and have shot about 100 of them with no problems, so what do you recommend I do with the ammo.
     
  8. Bartkowski

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    Also could you post the link of the web page you were reading.
     
  9. Tully M. Pick

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    Send it to me and I will properly dispose of it for you. You certainly don't want to take a chance with that!
     
  10. jerkface11

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    I can understand certain types of ammo not being safe in an M1A or garand. But an FAL has an adjustable gas system so you should be able to compensate for any ammo type. Just close the system so it won't function then start opening it up till the gun runs right.
     
  11. Bartkowski

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    How would you dispose of it?
     
  12. AR Hammer

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    That's not the problem.
    FN's have been blowing the top ends apart with some of this ammo.
     
  13. Deer Hunter

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    And, yet, it does so wonderfully.
     

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  14. GunTech

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    US military ammo uses ball powder too. M80 7.62x51mm ball uses WC-846, which is very similar to BL-C(2) and W-748.

    Indian 308 has a wide variety of rim thicknesses, making reliability problematic.
     
  15. GunTech

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    The adjustable gas system of the FAL has no effect on chamber pressure. It only effects port pressure. The FAL proof rounds are actually lower pressure than US proof rounds, and the FAL locking mechanism is not as strong as that on the M14 and M1 Garand.
     
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  16. 308nato

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    I have shot hundreds of 762.51 nato rounds of South African, some from
    Chile,Portuguese and the Indian through my M1a/M14 no problems so far.
    The only gripe I have is it all shoots dirty and I have to always clean it
    after each range trip.
     
  17. db_tanker

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    Bartkowski,

    ammo you have is designed for an AK and its variants...also you can shoot it in a Ruger Mini-30...to my knowledge there isn't an FAL made (yet) that is chambered in the M-43 round...however that would be an interesting project...but I digress....


    D
     
  18. db_tanker

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    heh...as I read that article I can't help but think of Old Dirty on the FALFiles and that recent test that was brought up here about the M1A "torture test"...



    Regardless...if a DSA can take that kind of hammering, and they ask you NOT to shoot that listed ammo, I would walk away from it...unless you are a reloader and then you might be able to pull the bullets and measure each powder charge using a good, KNOWN type of powder...perhaps a mil-spec pulldown that is available out there in bulk. Hey...that's what I did with a bunch of my Indian ammo...worked pretty good too. :) The bullets are MOC (minute of chest) but I still got the boxer brass...

    D
     
  19. jerkface11

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    Wolf .308 isn't loaded hot. So why do they say not to use wolf?
     
  20. Deer Hunter

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    Because Wolf has poor QC with their .308 ammo.
     
  21. AZ Jeff

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    Your comments confuse me.

    Are you suggesting that DSA builds a poor clone of the FAL, or are you suggesting that somehow, all the 100's of thousands of FAL's built and shipped by FN (virtually all in .308)and it's liscensees was some sort of fluke?
     
  22. Tully M. Pick

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    I will soak the rounds in a deactivation agent, which will render them inert. After doing so, I will disassemble them, and dispose of each component in the manner prescribed on the material's MSDS sheet.
     
  23. pflug

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    I always thought the FAL was designed for 7.62x51 NATO not .308 Winchester
     
  24. Mikee Loxxer

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    AZ Jeff,

    The FN FAL was originally chambered for 7.92mm Kurz (similart to 7.62 X39). Of course NATO (with the US at the helm) pushed for adoption of 7.62 NATO (7.62 X 51). This meant that the FAL had had to be upscaled for the large cartridge which in the view of some puts the design working at its very limits.

    pflug,

    DSA SA58's are marked .308 Win not 7.62 NATO.
     
  25. Coronach

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    Shoot the remaining 200 rounds. ;) I have shot thousands of rounds of Wolf 7.62x39. It's fine. Not particularly accurate, but fine.

    The posters talking about free disposal for you are pulling your leg. They will 'dispose' of it by shooting it for you. ;)

    Mike
     
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