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DSA FAL or a Springfield Armory Scout Squad

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by P.B.Walsh, Mar 29, 2009.

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  1. P.B.Walsh

    P.B.Walsh Member

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    Of the dsa fal and the sa scout squad which is better for:

    Hunting,SHTF:),target,aftermarket support, and price (1000-1800), and I also prefer a pistol grip.
    The gun will be used in a battle rifle setup(iron sights only).

    Please no AR-10s or AK-47 type rifles.
     
  2. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    DSA. Both are nice, though.
     
  3. Deer Hunter

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    with your criteria, the FAL wins.
     
  4. P.B.Walsh

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    I am leaning a bit to dsa, but does anyone know the difference between their Austrailian type fals and their SA58 rifles.
     
  5. gvnwst

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    Yep. I personally like the FAL a lot more than the M1a too.;)
     
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    The STG58s are, in my opinion, just as good as the SA58s. The only problem is they come in limited types.

    However, you can call DSA and have them build an STG58 gun on one of their receivers with whatever barrel length, which is nice. I went with an 18" barrel on my STG58. It cost me $890 when all was said and done.

    Shame that that was just two years ago.
     
  8. TexasRifleman

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    Good choice to lean towards the FAl.

    As to the other, the STG58's only come in a few specific configurations where their own SArifles are orderable in all kinds of setups.

    If you find an STG58 setup you like there is absolutely nothing wrong with that choice.
     
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  9. P.B.Walsh

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    Thanks for all of the replies, I just with they wasn't $1200 plus.
    But their a helluva lot more reliable than than the great gas-imengpent ARs and they'll last a lifetime.
     
  10. H2O MAN

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    Scout Squad in an E2 stock.
     
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    squad scout / bush , with an aftermarket stock , (sage, troy, or E2) gets my vote ,but you cant go wrong with a FAL either
     
  12. MTMilitiaman

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    I disagree. If you're sticking with irons, the sights on the M1A will serve you far better than the sights on the FAL, or nearly any other rifle existent. The standard irons on the M1A are among the best ever placed on a battle rifle and are fully capable of taking you out as far as you want to go. I have achieved hits out to 600 yards with a bone stock M1A Loaded and bulk cheapo 147 gr FMJs.

    If a pistol grip and rails are a must, you can drop it into a chassis system from Troy, Sage, or VLTOR.
     
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    FAL gets my vote (enough so that I own two of them). Great design, superior ergonomics for its era, and combat accurate -- plus some really superb history to go with it.

    Austrian types. StG-58s are built on surplus Austrian FAL kits (Sturmgewehr-58 was their designation for the rifle). SA-58s are all American parts, built on surplus tooling DSA bought from Austria.

    (Real) StG-58 . . .
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    DSA SA-58 Para Carbine
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    The main difference that jumps out at me is that I believe DSA sells their StG-58s with the original metal hand guards and bipod. The bipod isn't really practical, and the metal hand guards get insanely hot if you are planning to do a good bit of shooting in one go. (They'll also occasionally work loose and fall off the rifle when firing fully automatic, but obviously not a consideration with a civilian rifle.)

    Quality between the two is a toss up, unless DSA is recycling really played out Austrian kits. All the .mil StG-58s I've ever handled were in very good condition and had been well built with real attention to detail -- not sure how heavily used they were before the US .mil bought them, but the ones we had were very well made. DSA stuff is new, and the quality is good, in my experience.

    Meh. FALs (and M14 clones) have their occasional hiccups, too. If you go into either one thinking they're infallible, you'll be disappointed.
     
  14. lipadj46

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    If you are planning to stick to irons only I would take the M1A as it has hands down the best iron sites on a military rifle. The only thing is that if you really want a pistol grip stock it will cost you big time.
     
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    If you want a different rear sight on the FAL, DSA offers them. Fully adjustable ones like you'd find on an AR.
     
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    Um, no. The FAL is indeed incredibly reliable. It approaches the AK style rifles for reliability. But it's not much more reliable than an AR10. I'm not going to try to talk you into an AR, but let me give a counterpoint to the AR fallacies that have abounded since the Vietnam era M16s came out.

    My brother served in both Desert Shield and Desert Storm. He said in the thousands of rounds he fired in wild desert conditions he never had a problem. He said in his whole platoon they never had a problem.

    I live on the coast of the Bering Sea in Alaska. Few areas of the earth are harder on weapons that this is. My DPMS AR10 in .243 Win has never had a single malfunction. The piston addition on an AR style rifle is a solution to a problem that doesn't, for all practical purposes, exist. AR style rifles are wicked reliable. Period.

    That said, I'm not giving up my DSA Para either. Great rifle, classic and functional. The stock iron sights on the FAL aren't as good as the stock ones on the M1A, but they're replaceable with very good ones.

    The M1A is a very good rifle, I'd really wanted one until I shot one. I still think it's a great rifle but I didn't really like the ergonomics as well as I did the FAL. Replacement parts for the FAL are plentiful and cheap, parts for the M1A are much more expensive and somewhat more rare.

    In short, I'd recommend the FAL for your criteria, but I'd recommend a different set of sights. I'd also suggest you not completely discount the AR. For all practical purposes it beats everything out there in my book.
     
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    Your total price is restrictive - get the best rifle that you can afford.

    Don't forget mags and ammo!
     
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    I am a big fan of both but I settled on the DSA SA58s. I have a folding stock 16.5in para and a 16.5 in standard stock with full tactical rail and Leupold 3x9 on it I have hunted with both but just prefer the lay out of the FAL best and FAL mags are cheaper than M1A/M14 mags.
     
  19. P.B.Walsh

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    Well crap with all these answers I'm at a 3way crossway.
    The FAl is cheaper
    The AR10 is the closest to an AR15 without being.223
    The M1A is what I've always wanted, expensive for a 15 year old with no job.
    Y'all are right on with the iron sights though, I just wish the troy wasn't so costly.
    I do want to become a U.S. Marine when I turn 19 though so the AR10 would get me familiar with the M16 rifle and their are endless upgrodes for it. Where could I get a gas piston upper for.
    The m1a and the ar10 are purebread American to not Belgum or German blueprinted so......so many choices.
     
  20. TexasRifleman

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    Something to consider. Find one of the Chinese M14 copies, Norinco etc. You can buy them in the $1000 range, probably less. (not sure lately)

    Shoot it for a while. No it's not going to be the greatest thing ever but....the receivers on those guns are absolutely top notch.

    When you get some more cash send that Chinese rifle to one of the custom M14 shops like Warbirds or something and have a top shelf rifle built. The Chinese receivers are the perfect starting place for a high end build.

    In the meantime you have what you really want, and you can shoot it, it's just not where you want it yet. You can add to it over time.

    Something to think about anyway.

    http://www.warbirdscustomguns.com/
     
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    The M1A is what I've always wanted, expensive for a 15 year old with no job.


    Excellent suggestion!


    Both of these began life as bone stock Norinco M14s in Chu wood stocks.
    I had Smith Enterprise, Inc. build them up as funds and parts became available.


    [​IMG]


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  22. Robert

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    Go with the FAL. Mags are less expensive than the M1. The only thing I have against my FAL, kit built on a DSA upper, is the iron sights are not the best but as soon as I can save up for an ACOG that problem is solved. I like the M1A and would love to have one but between the two I'd take my FAL any day. But that is just me. Sure it may not be as accurate but I will not notice. I can hit what I am aiming at and that is good enough for me.
     
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  24. H2O MAN

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    I didn't vote for the FAL or the M1A :neener:
     
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    lol ok Mk whatever sop2 thingy... nice looking rifles none the less.
     
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