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PTR 91?
I don't own one but I hear they are really good.
I don't own one but I hear they are really good.
DSA FAL or a Springfield Armory Scout Squad
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gvnwst
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POF USA makes them, and i think that some others are GP. A properly built DI AR-10 will be very reliable though, the main thing IMO for GP rifles is ease of cleaning after firing a lot of rounds, my POF in .223 is way easier to clean than any other DI AR i have seen.
If you want to go with a AR-10, DPMS makes nice ones, and you should be able to find one for about $1k, depending on how hard the rush hit your area. I have bushy and DPMS AR-10s all over where i am...
I'd go with a FAL over anything else. This goes for the PTR91, and M1A. The only other rifle that comes close is the AR10. The FAL already has a pistol grip and doesn't need an expensive stock to remedy it. I'm not a fan of changing rifles too far from their original design.
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Well thanks for all of the sugestions. The ammo won't be a big deal because I can't get out and shoot alot, besides every now and then in the summer and oviusly (sorry I can't spell worth anything) in the summer. The other m1a's are an option, and considering how much I have loved upgrading my Remington sps .308 varmit (fyi I'm putting an HS tactical thumbhole and I've got some good ol' rust oleum camo paint, I wish I knew how to post pictures).
Howerver the direct impingment system has got to be reliable or the U.S. Millitary wouldn't still have em' this long.
And since I won't be fightin' against anything but deer and paper I won't be in a life endangering situation where a failure won't cost me my life only possible meat. So about less than what 60 rounds every time I can get an opportunity to go and shoot, it 'spect it'll be reliable enough to get the gob done, they look pretty cool out of the factory. I'm not looking for match grade accuracy only a solid 1-1.5 MOA. And the DPMS rifles from what I can hear are good in the reliable and accuate department, aulthou (spelling once again) the M1A are good in that department. The Marines use em' for their DMR rifles and the Army is now adopting the M110 for their primary sniper rifle, man if I could only get my hands on one of those beauties.......sigh.
The Euro FALs are good, I don't know mabye I just love American designs, I'm pretty baised, so don't get me even started on the R700 or Surgen Actions vs. Anything (aultho I'd love a AI rifle in .308 with a 20" barrel).
By the way how accurate is an out of the box chinesse or Morrico M1A with no sage or troy stock of course.
Howerver the direct impingment system has got to be reliable or the U.S. Millitary wouldn't still have em' this long.
And since I won't be fightin' against anything but deer and paper I won't be in a life endangering situation where a failure won't cost me my life only possible meat. So about less than what 60 rounds every time I can get an opportunity to go and shoot, it 'spect it'll be reliable enough to get the gob done, they look pretty cool out of the factory. I'm not looking for match grade accuracy only a solid 1-1.5 MOA. And the DPMS rifles from what I can hear are good in the reliable and accuate department, aulthou (spelling once again) the M1A are good in that department. The Marines use em' for their DMR rifles and the Army is now adopting the M110 for their primary sniper rifle, man if I could only get my hands on one of those beauties.......sigh.
The Euro FALs are good, I don't know mabye I just love American designs, I'm pretty baised, so don't get me even started on the R700 or Surgen Actions vs. Anything (aultho I'd love a AI rifle in .308 with a 20" barrel).
By the way how accurate is an out of the box chinesse or Morrico M1A with no sage or troy stock of course.
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By the way if SHTF (what 15yr. old thinks about that 
) I got my Remy 700 for reliablility and accuratecy covered.
) I got my Remy 700 for reliablility and accuratecy covered.No ChiCom M1A
China imported Poly Tech and Norinco M14s and they are as accurate as any rack grade USGI M14 would be.
Speaking of the M110... The modernized and redesigned M14 was recently dubbed the Ultimate semi-auto sniper system! Have a look.
Oh yeah, only Springfield Armory, Inc. makes an M1A.
China imported Poly Tech and Norinco M14s and they are as accurate as any rack grade USGI M14 would be.
Speaking of the M110... The modernized and redesigned M14 was recently dubbed the Ultimate semi-auto sniper system! Have a look.
Oh yeah, only Springfield Armory, Inc. makes an M1A.
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Yea I've heard only good things about the Crazy Horses.
The imported m14s are tempting.
There is diffinnate "tacticool" thing about an AR, I'm really a tacticool junkie, and love some good "gun porn". 
I think (for the time) I should by a AR-10. And when I get a job start bying more guns and settle for right now for the great guns I have right now...... plus an AR.
I really won't an " evil black gun" aulthou all my guns (modern guns) are and will be painted. So how 'bout an "evil silluoette" he he....
The imported m14s are tempting.
There is diffinnate "tacticool" thing about an AR, I'm really a tacticool junkie, and love some good "gun porn".
I think (for the time) I should by a AR-10. And when I get a job start bying more guns and settle for right now for the great guns I have right now...... plus an AR.
I really won't an " evil black gun" aulthou all my guns (modern guns) are and will be painted. So how 'bout an "evil silluoette" he he....
I vote SA M1A Scout!
I have owned many semi 308s; 3 M1As, 2 DSA FALs, 1 DPMS and 2 PTR91s and the ones that made it through the cull are 2 M1As and one is a scout. I want a 308 that works in the field for harvesting game and could pull defense duties and the M1A does both good. The FAL is a BETTER high volume of fire defense rifle. The M1A shines as a low rate of aimed fire marksman/hunting rifle. If you grew up with hunting rifles the M1A brings it all together in a heck of a package. Lets face it what are you most likely going to be doing with a $.50 a round rifle no matter what the situation. Aint it fun to determine what your next rifle should be?!!!!!!
I have owned many semi 308s; 3 M1As, 2 DSA FALs, 1 DPMS and 2 PTR91s and the ones that made it through the cull are 2 M1As and one is a scout. I want a 308 that works in the field for harvesting game and could pull defense duties and the M1A does both good. The FAL is a BETTER high volume of fire defense rifle. The M1A shines as a low rate of aimed fire marksman/hunting rifle. If you grew up with hunting rifles the M1A brings it all together in a heck of a package. Lets face it what are you most likely going to be doing with a $.50 a round rifle no matter what the situation. Aint it fun to determine what your next rifle should be?!!!!!!
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FAL, because of less avaliability (makes it more interesting) and high avaliability of magazines.
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P.B.Walsh
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The hunting part of it the scout wins it has the Shape of a hunting rifle the durability and accuratecy
Good m1a owner reveiw
Can anyone give me a good/bad review on an AR10 essesialy from DPMS.
I'm looking at their LR-.308C it's in a A2 configuration.
Good m1a owner reveiw
Can anyone give me a good/bad review on an AR10 essesialy from DPMS.
I'm looking at their LR-.308C it's in a A2 configuration.
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I don't think the deer really care about the shape of your hunting stick.
My FAL is my main rifle for hunting.
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The AR10 is really hard to beat. I have the DPMS AR10 in .243 Winchester and an Armalite in .308. I haven't had the Armalite long enough to have more than a crude sense of it's accuracy, I can get get 5 shot groups just over an inch with the factory stuff I was shooting.
I've had the DPMS for quite some time and can tell you a lot more about it. This is a gun that has never given me a bit of trouble, even shooting in an Arctic winter. From a bench using Federal Premium 70 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip I get .75" groups and have done that with 4 straight boxes allowing it to cool between groups. With 100 grain Nosler Partitions I get just under 1" groups. That's more accuracy than I'll ever need, really nice to know it's there though.
The AR's versatility can't be beat. You have the ability to switch sights from open sights to scope quickly and easily, and you can switch calibers by pulling a couple of pins. I don't have the uppers yet, but when I go down to Denver this Summer I'm going to get two new uppers for my AR: A 7mm-08 and a .450 Marlin. Imagine the ability to switch from a long range varmint gun (.243) to a long range light hunting gun (7mm-08) to a large game rifle (.308) to a bush country monster killer (.450 Marlin) all in one very reliable gun. Like I said, it's hard to beat.
I've had the DPMS for quite some time and can tell you a lot more about it. This is a gun that has never given me a bit of trouble, even shooting in an Arctic winter. From a bench using Federal Premium 70 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip I get .75" groups and have done that with 4 straight boxes allowing it to cool between groups. With 100 grain Nosler Partitions I get just under 1" groups. That's more accuracy than I'll ever need, really nice to know it's there though.
The AR's versatility can't be beat. You have the ability to switch sights from open sights to scope quickly and easily, and you can switch calibers by pulling a couple of pins. I don't have the uppers yet, but when I go down to Denver this Summer I'm going to get two new uppers for my AR: A 7mm-08 and a .450 Marlin. Imagine the ability to switch from a long range varmint gun (.243) to a long range light hunting gun (7mm-08) to a large game rifle (.308) to a bush country monster killer (.450 Marlin) all in one very reliable gun. Like I said, it's hard to beat.
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Yeah but then you're stuck with an AR...
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DSA SA-58 Para Carbine
Is that a TA11 ACOG in 308. on your Para SA58? That is the scope I have been looking at for a DSA and I am curious if you like it?
This is my first post and I do not think I quoted you right.
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Sorry about the "hunting stock design" accuslly I despise the average hunting rifle (walnut sporter stock with a flimsy little toothpick barrel). They are my ENEMIES.
The modularity of an AR is without question, from deers (.308) to small varmits (.204), however I'm just using the .308 from 16" to 20". Remember I'm looking for a BATTLE RIFLE not a ooooo... Look at my .5 MOA rifle. I say yea but that's only with one particlar grain, powder,etc. ect........
This is one reason am leaning toawards a AR DI system, I heard their more accuate (out of the box not no Crazy Horse customs). Is this true or I'm I just hearing a load of crap.
For the future and past Thank you Sooooo much for helping me out, your the only "gun talk" I got, thanks again.
The modularity of an AR is without question, from deers (.308) to small varmits (.204), however I'm just using the .308 from 16" to 20". Remember I'm looking for a BATTLE RIFLE not a ooooo... Look at my .5 MOA rifle. I say yea but that's only with one particlar grain, powder,etc. ect........
This is one reason am leaning toawards a AR DI system, I heard their more accuate (out of the box not no Crazy Horse customs). Is this true or I'm I just hearing a load of crap.
For the future and past Thank you Sooooo much for helping me out, your the only "gun talk" I got, thanks again.
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That's bad. We will help you spend a LOT of money
You need a voice of reason too LOL.
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If it helps any.... My first rifle was an STG58 from DSArms.
I have taken the scope off and now use the irons. Maybe I'll scope it again one day?
Maybe.
Not my booze in the back. One of the guys had a brew or two after the hunt.
I have taken the scope off and now use the irons. Maybe I'll scope it again one day?
Maybe.
Not my booze in the back. One of the guys had a brew or two after the hunt.
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"We will help you spend a LOT of money". Sorry don't know how to use :banghead:quotes.
Don't know about that one.?.?.?..?.?.??? Not yet for the time being.
You don't look like a happy hunter, don't know about you but whenever I go hunting I'm always happy seing a deer or not, I feel closer to God when I hunt, more natural fir a like of a better term.
Sorry mabey you don't like taking pictures I HATE them.
Nice guns though.
Don't know about that one.?.?.?..?.?.??? Not yet for the time being.
You don't look like a happy hunter, don't know about you but whenever I go hunting I'm always happy seing a deer or not, I feel closer to God when I hunt, more natural fir a like of a better term.
Sorry mabey you don't like taking pictures I HATE them.
Nice guns though.
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Still any TRUTH on Direct impengment vs. Gas piston (in the accuatcy department).
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I am smiling.
Honestly Walsh, it's not DI vs Piston you have to worry about. There are plenty of DI guns that don't get the hate an AR's DI system gets.
ARs are reliable. AKs are accurate.
Let's move on.
Honestly Walsh, it's not DI vs Piston you have to worry about. There are plenty of DI guns that don't get the hate an AR's DI system gets.
ARs are reliable. AKs are accurate.
Let's move on.
gvnwst
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What about the two systems?
If you are talking about accuracy, yes, theoretically, DI is more accurate, as there is no mass actually moving that can disturb the harmonics of the barrel, vs a piston is actually moving mass. There are some accurate GP rifles, my POF is way more accurate than i am (better shooter and good ammo 1/2" is good, and .7" is normal) but there are some REALLY accurate DI rifles.
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