Dud....dud.....dud

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  1. Rembrandt

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    Occasionally I'll see a thread regarding a poorly performing gun or ammo, sort of write these off as getting a rare lemon now and then. I understand not everything produced performs perfect right from the factory. I've had an extremely good run of luck with firearm purchases, very few problems.....till now.

    We've all heard of the convergence of multiple flaws that combined to create a "perfect storm"......this is probably what stumped me trying to find a solution.

    To start with I picked up a S&W MP 15-22 pistol as a fun plinker for the grandkids. First trip to the range was pretty frustrating, failure to fire, failure to eject, empties getting jammed around the bolt. Go to You-Tube and see if others are having this problem, sure enough there are dozens of videos on how to fix your MP 15-22. Extractor needed to be bent upward, replaced the firing pin and claw extractor with Volquartsen upgrades. Primer strikes were deeper and more pronounced, ejections improved. Guess Smith & Wesson just had a bad day when this one was built. ;)

    Still had issues with duds......couldn't fire more than 4-to-5 rounds without a failure. Using a brick of Remington Yellow Jacket and the rims were showing good firing pin strikes. Tried taking some of the duds and rotating them through again....still wouldn't ignite. In three boxes of the ammo was experiencing nearly a 10% failure rate. Guess someone at Remington was having a bad day too.:( Unfortunately I still have four more bricks of the Yellow Jacket stashed away.

    So I'll write this off as a learning experience and hope those manufacturers have better days in the future. :)


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  2. Armored farmer

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    You can't blame it all on the rifle. That ammo is bad news. I've had problems with cheap plinkers too, but not usually more that one or maybe two per box.
    That's the sort of thing that we used to show to a Remington rep, and get a new carton of ammo.
    Those days are gone forever!
     
  3. trackskippy

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    I picked up one a couple of weeks back and had the same experience with the gun cycling. Didnt have any issues with the rounds not firing, although I do on occasion find the trigger didnt reset, yet there is a round in the chamber, which is kind of odd. Doesnt happen very often though.

    I looked on YouTube too, and tried tweaking the ejector towards the bolt carrier as the one boy did, and that seemed to do the trick. Except for the occasional dead trigger, gun now runs like its supposed to. Im thinking the trigger thing might just be the gun getting grumpy as it gets dirty, as it doesnt seem to start happening until Ive got 4 or 5 mags through it. After that, it might happen one a mag, or every other mag.

    I ordered an aftermarket extractor and spring kit for it, but didnt put it in. Didnt need to.

    I also have a M&P15-22 rifle that I got a couple of years back. I originally bought a used one, and it was apparently in that bolt recall they had. Had the same cycling issues as this one, but basically every round. Came to find there was no extractor in the bolt. It also had a random and alternating dead trigger and burst fires. Called S&W and they took it back, returned it and said it was fixed, and nope. Back again, and I swear they never touched it, and couldnt have fired it, as it would not cycle, no matter the ammo I put in it. Sent it back a third time, and they sent me a new gun, and this one has worked 100%.

    Both are fun, accurate guns when they run. I put a SIG Romeo 5 on them both, and they tear up things like clays on the berm or in the yard, as hard as you can go. :)

    This is the second time Ive ever had to send something back to S&W, with 30 years between them, and with pretty much the same result both times. Three trips back, and a new gun in both cases. Kind of a PITA, but they took care of things.
     
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  4. bannockburn

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    Had the same problem with a Remington Model 597. Frequent failures to feed and when you did have a round that fired, there was typically a failure to eject. Adding insult to injury was that it performed it's worst using Remington ammo!

    Went online and tried all the "fixes" with the magazines, both plastic and metal, and still none of them worked properly. Made the adjustments to the guide rails; that didn't work either. I tried CCI MiniMags in it; waste of time, effort, and quality ammo. Could not get through an entire magazine without the whole thing coming to a screeching halt. Come to think about it, I don't think we ever got a chance to sight it in, there was so many problems with it, we were never able to get a decent group on paper!

    Remington rifle and Remington ammo = Dud and Dud.
     
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    Yeah, the Remington Big Bucket o' Disappointment was what you used when you wanted to practice clearing malfunctions.
     
  6. jmohme

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    I gave up on Remington rimfire ammo long ago. I had nothing but bad luck with it.
     
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  7. edwardware

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    Since my first, and last experience with a box of Remington Golden Bullet, I just don't buy Remington rimfire ammo. Spent more time working the charging handle than the trigger.
     
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  8. MosinT53Hunter

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    Just buy CCI and you will find bliss
     
  9. gyp_c2

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    This...
     
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    ditto
     
  11. Elkins45

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    Back during the last banic there was a guy who had a 500 round box of Golden Bullets that passed thru 3-4 hands with no takers. The guy who bought it gave it to me and I gave up after the first few magazines. I gave it to someone else who also gave up. The failure to fire rate was at least 30%.
     
  12. Boattale

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    I've had good luck with bulk pack Remington Golden Bullet .22LR. Don't remember any problems with Yellow Jackets either. But my preferred bulk .22 LR ammunition is Winchester Super X. CCI has never given me the accuracy as the Super X. Worst of the CCI for me has always been mini-mag as far as accuracy. But it does always go bang so it's got that going for it.
     
  13. trackskippy

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    Sounds like Remington primers. o_O
     
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  14. Plan2Live

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    A few years back, when I was a range officer, I picked up a lot of .22 cartridges around the shooting benches with dents in the primer but were still whole. I would set those aside and break them out when I took out my old Harington & Richardson bolt action rifle. I never had a single one of those rounds fail to fire in the H&R.
     
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  15. Terry G

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    Remington Golden Bullet's are my second most reliable .22 LR's with CCI Mini-Mags the first. BUT I never bought the bucket of bullets. I believe they were rattled around in those buckets causing all kinds of problems. What do you think?
     
  16. sparkyv

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    I like Rem Golden Bullets, but I get a dud every now and again. Never have tried Yellow Jackets, though. This GB turned out not to be a dud; the priming compound lit off when I restruck the empty case.

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  17. HPJeep

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    I've had bad luck with Remington 22s in the past 20 years. Usually a 20% failure rate with guns that fire other brands flawlessly. Been trying to shoot them up to get rid of them.
     
  18. Bfh_auto

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    That is a huge reason I don't by Remington ammo unless it's center-fire handgun.
    I've had an unacceptable rate of duds.
    I can't blame the gun if it's multiple failures in different guns.
     
  19. Ignition Override

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    Both of my .22LR handguns- bought brand-new retail - had very frequent issues with bulk, cheap Federal ammo not extracting - and they weren't quite perfect with CCI Minimags, either.o_O

    I spent time reading about shortening recoil springs, which helps the recoil function.

    * Both the M&P .22 handgun (standard length) and the Ruger Mark IV are now 100% :), other than a few older Winchester bulk rounds which don't ignite the first time.
    One spring was shortened about 1/3", the other approx. 1/2". The weird, stark improvement is like night and day.:cool:

    A friend with the standard M&P. 15 .22 rifle had similar issues as the OP, and I suggested reading up on what I did in both .22 handguns. Most people are afraid to do so.
    He sticks with CCI Minimags and now has few problems.
     
  20. Shimitup

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    I haven't shot Yellow jackets in a very long time but I remember the experience well. Apparently they haven't gotten any better. CCI always seems to go bang, as for budget bulk ammo I've had very good luck with Federal Auto Match.
     
  21. Riomouse911

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    My last rimfire soirée had two FTF on the first go round; one an Aguila 36 gr hp and one a sterling cross 40 gr LRN. Both fired on the second try.

    Two guns had the issues; one FTF each.

    That type of consistent FTF with a lot of the same rounds and IMHO the whole box goes in the trash... especially if more than one gun has issues. :(

    Stay safe..
     
  22. ms6852

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    When I first started to get involved with rimfire ammo, I had no idea that firearms could be so finicky. Throughout the years and blood pressures rising several points during each shooting session I begin to learn from others and through trial an error. It took me years to realize that high velocity rimfire rounds work best in semi-autos, specifically 40 grain bullets, lighter ones or heavier don't. Than I buy another firearm and all 40 grainers don't work. So through the years of weeding all the ammo for my firearms I determined that cci and aguila 40 grainers work on all my firearms whether semi or bolt or revolvers. So eventually I realized that If I wanted my blood pressure to remain stable avoid semi-auto rimfire guns and rifles and stick to revolvers and bolt action rifles, so what do I do, I buy S&W model 41 that hates wolf match and eley Remington ammo. I am one of those idiots that refuse to learn, but luckily I have cases of CCI and Aguila that the 41 likes.
     
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  23. JohnKSa

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    I do sympathize. I finally got tired of buying special kinds of .22LR and trying to keep track of what brand/loading would run in which semi-auto.
    That's about where I am now. I have semi-auto rimfires, but I don't shoot them much now.
     
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  24. Mr. Hill

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    My browning buckmark loves the yellow jackets. They do tend to have harder (or maybe less sensitive) primers. But by the look of those pictures, the primers are getting hit just fine by the firing pin.

    Could exposure to oil or moisture cause that?
     
  25. Rembrandt

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    Had same trigger issue, lubricated the trigger mechanism and seemed to work fine.

    No, don't think that's it. Ammo has been stored in dry climate controlled storage.

    Tempted to take a few rounds and mill off a cross section of the rim to see if any primer compound even exists.
     
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