Dude carrying a gun in public in VA has an AD that ends in his own death

[KungFuNerd]

Tell you what...I tried Appendix carry. ONCE.
I was using a good holster and everything but it was aiming RIGHT at my Femoral Artery.

You wouldn't wear a "Hat Holster" that pointed the gun at your Temple would you?

When I read this article I immediately thought 'Glock 27 Mexican carry'

 

[doc2rn]

I am the only person in the room with the training to be able to Handle a Glock-Fotay!
(shoots self in foot)
Any design that makes you pull the trigger to separate upper and lower receivers, goes Kaboom, and doesnt have a safety off the trigger just isnt a good design for everyday carry! Too many people bought Glock Kool-Aid!
This is a terrible yet preventable incident. My deepest condolences to the family.

 

[Diggers]

Sad situation,
so lets make it useful to us.

How did this happen?

From what I've read here:

He had a loaded, chambered pistol on his person NOT carried in a holster.

Unclear as to where it was on his person BUT it was supposedly discharged while attempting to unlatch the seat belt....

So wast appendix carry? Pocket carry? Jacket pocket carry? What ever the location the gun was lined up with his femoral artery when the ND happened.

It seems the gun NOT being in a holster covering the trigger played a MAJOR roll in this death. Carrying a gun in other locations on his person other than wast at 3,4,5 or 6 o'clock is a less significant secondary issue.

When I have a gun in a holster on my belt, it is almost, almost, impossible to shoot myself OR another person with an ND. I would have to bend in an unusual way to accomplish that.

So, always use a holster AND perhaps we all should be more aware of where the barrel is pointing from our preferred carry method as well and make adjustments if needed.

 

[Inebriated]

The Glock has the same "safety" as a Smith and Wesson revolver.

The Glock is "hot all the time" in the same way as a Smith and Wesson revolver.

In each instance, you fire the weapon by simply pulling the trigger.
In each instance, neither weapon will fire UNLESS you pull the trigger.

Folks have been having ND's since the first Chinese chemist figured out how to make gunpowder.
No matter how many locks and switches you put on a gun, people will still find a way to fire it when they shouldn't.

One could very easily argue that a S&W trigger is considerably heavier than a Glock's, and is therefore a lower risk to carry.

I think every thing should be in a proper holster, and there's no way around that, but all things being equal, the heavier DA trigger could have saved him.

 

[two gun charlie]

funny how everytime I read or hear about these events it's always a glock ?! and I seem to hear about it quite often lately.

 

[Lex Luthier]

Sad, and prayers for his family. The guy was an idiot for taking those kind of chances. Maybe his kids will grow up and be smarter than him.

 

[msparks]

I carry a Glock 26 appendix most of the time. I use a MIC holster. From what I see, there is no possible way for the trigger to get squeezed. I call it a trigger condom for good reason.

 

[Loosedhorse]

I bet that DEA agent who was the only guy professional enough in the room to carry a Glock 40 is looking for work and some expert witness testimony would help him pay the mortgage.

You know, I use that video every time I teach a safety class. Every time. There is nothing better, IMHO, to drive the point home.

I guess I should look up Lee Paige's address, and send him a few bucks...

 

[JohnBT]

"The Glock has the same "safety" as a Smith and Wesson revolver."

The difference is that Glock proudly and regularly advertises that their gun has a safety. I can see where some folks might be lulled into a false sense of safety knowing their gun has a safety (or multiple safeties.)

Not us of course, and we know modern Smiths don't have a safety.

 

[SSN Vet]

Simple solution ... don't chamber a round in a carry gun.

but then there's the day your forget you have one chambered

I personally chose pistols with a manual safety.... but then these can inadvertently get swiped off.

In the final analysis, there is no substitute for diligence.

A man's got to know his limitations!

If you tend towards absent mindedness, or operate in an environment with non-stop interruptions and redirections of your attention, then prudence would suggest some add'l measures to serve as a back up, in case you make a mistake.

Anyone can make a mistake with a handgun. But there are things we can do to make the consequences of that mistake less disastrous. And what works for you in your situation, may not work for somebody else in different circumstances.

Bottom line is that no measure of nanny state regulations and ambulance chasing lawyers will prevent you from ultimately reaping what you sew.

If you choose to carry.... YOU, and you alone, HAVE TO be responsible for your actions and take any and all measures needed to ensure you do so safely.

I feel bad for the guys wife and kids. He was probably one of the "good guys" and cared enough for his family to take measures to provide for their protection.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Any design that makes you pull the trigger to separate upper and lower receivers, goes Kaboom, and doesnt have a safety off the trigger just isnt a good design for everyday carry! Too many people bought Glock Kool-Aid!
This is a terrible yet preventable incident. My deepest condolences to the family.

That has nothing to do with carry. Be smart about your gun and you'll be fine. It isn't that difficult to drop mag, unchamber and check three times, close slide and pull the trigger. It gets fired in those instances because a round is in the chamber, not a design flaw.

 

[Owen Sparks]

A friend was wearing a windbreaker with a drawstring in the waist. He was re-holstering his Glock behind the hip and snagged the trigger guard on the little plastic thing on the end of the drawstring, it discharged KILLING the guy behind him. Sure it was mostly his fault for not minding where the muzzle was pointed, yet his trigger finger was straight and out of the trigger guard when it happened. This guy was not a beginner but an Army veteran and a competitive shooter. The man killed was sitting directly behind him and was hit low in the body and bled to death.

BTW: Compairing a Glocks trigger to that of a DA revolver is only relivant if the revolver is COCKED!

 

[yeahbuddy]

funny how everytime I read or hear about these events it's always a glock ?! and I seem to hear about it quite often lately.

But how much of that has to do with Glocks being popular? They have sold quite a lot of them. Because of brand recognition in the general public, they might even be more likely to be purchased as first time hand guns by noobs (I don't know, just a possibility). What do you guys think?

I think we can all agree that a gun needs a holster if it is going to be carried.

 

[brickeyee]

Damn, sad. Must have hit the femoral artery.

Sure sounds like it.

And at that range even a blank might have done enough damage.

The human body does not cope with 30,000+ PSI gases well, and it can do a huge amount of damage all by itself.

Regretfully some mistakes are lethal.

Hopefully the family can continue hang together

 

[Shawn Dodson]

Lots of speculation. Major arteries of the body...

 

[Boo-Radley]

He should have had an empty chamber, and the safety on. I carry the hammer over a live chamber on my 29-2, but it is virtually impossible for that revolver to go off accidentally. On a semi-auto I would never chamber a round until it's time to fire.

 

[allaroundhunter]

On a semi-auto I would never chamber a round until it's time to fire

And for those who have had to draw and/or use their CCW (semi) for self defense, they will tell you that the BG will not come up to you and give you an advance warning that he is going to hurt you. You will not have time to rack the slide in an SD situation. Because you are uncomfortable with keeping a semi on your person with a loaded chamber, it is probably for the best that you carry a wheelgun.

Keep one in the chamber, keep you finger out of the trigger guard, and keep your brain working.


And Boo.....Glocks don't have manual safeties. Though the gun was accidentally discharged, the circumstances that led up to it make it a negligent discharge.

 

[Skribs]

Simple solution ... don't chamber a round in a carry gun.

I have all of my handguns with a round in the chamber. That way I never wonder "is there a round in the chamber?" No manual safety, either, so I never have to wonder if the safety is on or off. My handguns are hot at all times (except the obvious, cleaning, cleared for showing, or between magazines). Therefore, I have no surprises.

 

[45_auto]

funny how everytime I read or hear about these events it's always a glock ?

Probably because most of the time the type of weapon is NOT reported so you don't hear about it.

However, the Glock trigger safety (as well as the "undetectable" by metal detector characteristics) has been controversial with uninformed shooters and reporters since their introduction. So any time an incident happens with a Glock it tends to get visibility in the press and on the internet.

For instance, I don't remember much fanfare over this pink pistol shooting (I don't believe Glock makes a pink .380):

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/08/joshua_seto_was_under_influenc.php

Or much fanfare over some Marine AD's a year or so ago (do the marines use Glocks?):

http://www.marines.mil/unit/safety/Documents/Neg_Discharges_Jan_2010.pdf

I don't believe Glock makes many shotguns:

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...sly-injured-in-accidental-shooting-in-phoenix

Maybe you think Glock makes hunting rifles now:

http://crime.blogs.tuscaloosanews.com/10660/woman-dies-after-accidental-shooting/

These accidental shootings never named the type of handgun, I don't remember much discussion on any of them:

http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-accidental-shooting-brings-family-together-20111110,0,6166185.story

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...idental-shooting-in-north-Houston-2260880.php

http://mynorthwest.com/11/560284/Man-arrested-for-accidentally-shooting-friend-from-back-seat

All these were the result of about 10 seconds spent on Google.

 

[TexasRifleman]

funny how everytime I read or hear about these events it's always a glock ?

Well let's be honest here, Glocks sell like hotcakes. Have to be by far the most popular gun sold for both civilian and LE use. If there are more Glocks it's only natural there will be more stories about Glocks.

Can't read much into that.

 

[W.E.G.]

Whoa... there's a "gonadial" artery.

 

[ReloaderEd]

Murphy's law says if it can't happen it will no matter what precautions are taken by mankind to prevent accidents of any kind. you can put all the safety devices plus custom safeties on a firearm and someone somewhere will inadvertently hurt or kill themselves when the perfect set of circumstances come together with 1 in a million odds. Breaking down the event and finding out exactly what and how the seatbelt inadvertently pulled the Glock (in this case a Glock) trigger would be good for all gun toters to know and understand to preclude further deaths.
Is Glock responsible for the accident? Thats sort of like saying the people that issued the concealed carry permit or carry permit are responsible for the guy killing himself. Now I know in this day and age, anyone with deep pockets can be sued because of someones stupidity. Sometimes folks, a person just has to take responsibility for their own thoughless butterfingered actions prior to yes inadvertently killing themselfs and leaving their families in this case without a Father.
In Oklahoma several years ago we had a young husband and Father, on the 4th of July, fire a home made cannon made out of PVC Pipe. It blew up killing him. Who is going to get sued for that? Just food for thought. Be Safe

 

[45_auto]

Seems pretty simple to me.

If you don't trust yourself enough to competently and safely operate the Glock trigger system, don't carry one. Same thing with carrying a 1911 cocked and locked.

If you think you're competent but you're really not, don't be surprised when Darwin comes to call ......

 

[gym]

It's called an accident, a fatal accident. They happen every day, people fall and break their necks, drive off a clff, drown, houses go up in flames, it's unfortunate, but that's what it is. He took his mind off what he was doing and caused a fatal accident that took his life. I see no lawsuit here.

 

[Jolly Rogers]

If you don't trust yourself enough to competently and safely operate the Glock trigger system, don't carry one. Same thing with carrying a 1911 cocked and locked.

If the deceased had been carrying a cocked and locked 1911 there wouldn't have been a fatality. There would have had to be 3 separate actions to have a discharge.
Don't and won't own a Glock.
Joe