Dude carrying a gun in public in VA has an AD that ends in his own death

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If the deceased had been carrying a cocked and locked 1911 there wouldn't have been a fatality. There would have had to be 3 separate actions to have a discharge.
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Good point. You're right, no one has ever had an ND with a 1911 and shot their self in the leg ..... :)

(The guy in the link below would probably disagree with you. He was luckier than the guy wwith the Glock, though.)

http://negligentdischarge.com/leg.html
 
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How do you even do that? I ALWAYS use a holster, and I grew out of Glocks about 10 years ago, so it's a moot point to begin with. But, how can you put a glock in your pocket or mexican carry at such an angle that it is pointed at your hip?
 
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Well let's be honest here, Glocks sell like hotcakes. Have to be by far the most popular gun sold for both civilian and LE use. If there are more Glocks it's only natural there will be more stories about Glocks.

Can't read much into that.
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Not to mention the fact that Glock is a name for any handgun in the journalist.

Good point. Nobody has ever had an ND with a 1911 .....
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Can't tell if ignorance or sarcasm. People has shot 1911s without meaning to for years. If this particular guy was carrying a 1911 though, it wouldn't have fired if carried C/L. Thats still no excuse for not getting a good holster.

How do you even do that? I ALWAYS use a holster, so it's a moot point to begin with. But, how can you put a glock in your pocket at such an angle that it is pointed at your hip?
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The gun gets pressed flat against your leg pointing down it but no directly at it.
 
Can't tell if ignorance or sarcasm. People has shot 1911s without meaning to for years. If this particular guy was carrying a 1911 though, it wouldn't have fired if carried C/L. Thats still no excuse for not getting a good holster.
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Okay, but let's be honest here. A Glock takes one movement against the trigger to fire. 1911 takes three. 1) Disable safety. 2) get firm grip against the handle. 3) Pull trigger. It would be a tad bit more difficult to make a 1911 go bang accidentally. Every gun goes bang if no precatuions are taken. But if you decide to carry a Glock without a holster, you're one sliver of action away from an accidental shooting. 1911's require two deliberate actions before pulling the trigger makes anything happen.

and with practice, those three actions of the 1911 can all be done in one swift move from the holster. no surprise the 1911 is still going strong 100 years later.
 
That is true and I did basically point that out, doesn't change the fact that he wasn't carrying in a smart fashion.
 
No one knows what really happened except the guy who died. No one else was in the car or saw the incident. If I had just shot myself in my car, I would probably be like him and claim that I was trying to unbuckle a seat belt too.

Sheriff’s Capt. Liz Scott said the victim was in the driver’s seat of a minivan when he apparently went to unbuckle his seat belt and hit the trigger of a Glock 40-caliber handgun.
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Honestly I love all the excuses being posting in this thread... the bottom line is that this guy was carrying a Glock in an unsafe manner. He was either ignorant of the danger or simply chose to ignore it.

Carrying a Glock in the pocket without a proper pocket holster is ignorant period end of discussion.

The real question is how can we as the educated shooting community help to educate those who are a bit behind the learning curve. This accident/negligent discharge could have been avoided and we as the educated shooting community need to work together to make this happen!

If we do not work to educate people more people will kill themselves as the number of concealed carry holders grows. IMHO this is a real problem that is staring us in the face as we grow our community.
 
You ever notice how every Hollywood movie and TV show has two methods of carry? Shoulder holster and mexican carry, A lot of the ignorant among us probably see those two options first and foremost.
 
He should have had an empty chamber, and the safety on.
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Please explain how to put "the safety on" while using a Glock.
As far as the empty chamber goes, that has been addressed in this thread.
If you want to carry an unloaded gun, that is your perogative.
But recommending it to everyone does not place you in a good light, or help your credibility.
 
Yep, with an unloaded gun and the safety on, you might be better off just carrying some nice round rocks. you'll have a better chance of saving a life with the chuck and duck approach.
 
Please explain how to put "the safety on" while using a Glock.
As far as the empty chamber goes, that has been addressed in this thread.
If you want to carry an unloaded gun, that is your perogative.
But recommending it to everyone does not place you in a good light, or help your credibility.
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Yep, with an unloaded gun and the safety on, you might be better off just carrying some nice round rocks. you'll have a better chance of saving a life with the chuck and duck approach.
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So missing the mark IMHO.... its not about chamber loaded or not its about education. Its about helping other people not make the same mistake.

Focus people please focus.
 
I carry a glock along with a lcp, the glock may have varied but has been a fixture since 1995. I also have a best friend ,"retired Marine" who carries a 27. mine is a 26. He doesn't keep one in the chamber, I do.I found the trigger block to be a very useful aid. It pops out easily, ican tap it out I have had it so long, but it prevents anything from getting in between the trigger and the trigger gaurd, like a string etc. It's cheap, and it works. I am still very aware once the pistol moves above the trigger, but maybe a few of you might want to try it, it's a ten dollar investmant that can come in handy.
 
He should have had an empty chamber
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Might as well have left the gun home in that case.

and the safety on.
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Have you ever tried to engage the safety on a Glock? It takes FOREVER to find the lever. I still haven't found it on my G23, and I've been looking for 17 years!
 
... the bottom line is that this guy was carrying a Glock in an unsafe manner. He was either ignorant of the danger or simply chose to ignore it.

The real question is how can we as the educated shooting community help to educate those who are a bit behind the learning curve.
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Didn't somebody report earlier in the thread that the guy had been a firearms instructor?

It seems that there is a unhealthy risk for "experts" to develop a mindset in which the "basic safety rules" no longer apply to them.

I was once taught that when working with power tools, you need to always have a healthy fear/respect for their capacity to hurt you.

I consider firearms to be extremely powerful tools.
 
He should have had an empty chamber
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I know a lot of people get upset when they see this, but for a person carrying without a holster, with no way to protect the trigger, this is probably the best way to carry the thing.

Practice racking the slide as it comes out of the pocket. Yes it's slow, but if one insists on not using a holster, it's the best way to go.
 
A Glock with a round chambered must be carried not just is a holster but in a rigid Glock specific for that model holster. I seem to remember reading about a gentleman who NDd a Glock by using a soft leather holster for a "similar" gun. The soft leather pinched by the seatbelt pushed into the trigger guard discharging the pistol into the car floor.
 
I believe the Israilis carry that way, unchambered. They practice racking the slide as the wepon is brought to the firing position.
I'm suprised that no one has come up with a snap off device more reliable than the trigger block, I did a search and looked at a dozen different mods, none I would use other than the block. At night I put my gun in a holster in the dark, because my wife is already asleep, I have been doing it so long that the trigger block has made it easier not to worry about it catching on the holster, "even though anthing is possible", if you check it every time you remove the weapon it will work better than nothing. Also you just have to be anal with glocks, people get too comfortble and forget how easily that trigger will fire.
 
"No one knows what really happened except the guy who died."

I read one article early this morning while searching for updated info that said a police officer who was on the scene said the gun was found on the floor.

I suppose I've been thinking it went off in his pocket.

John
 
He put his finger on the trigger and it went off, what is the mystery? He broke rule #1

And not putting a round in the chamber of a carry gun is like not putting gas in your car

Complacency breeds carelessness

wise words
 
I read one article early this morning while searching for updated info that said a police officer who was on the scene said the gun was found on the floor.

I suppose I've been thinking it went off in his pocket.
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He didn't die instantly, he could have yanked it out because of the pain and threw it on the floor. I doubt he was pocket carrying, when a flat gun is in your pocket like a Glock, it points along your leg but not at it. Plus Glocks are pretty chunky to carry in a pocket.

He put his finger on the trigger and it went off, what is the mystery? He broke rule #1
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So only your finger can pull the trigger? He was carrying without a holster, things can easily get in the trigger guard like a shirt tail and then when you move, trigger gets pulled.
 
How does a shirt tail get through a trigger gaurd, If a gun is in your pants, i cant think of many things that can get in the trigger gaurd...... do you have a lot of stuff between your pants and your undies?
 
My sincere prayers are for his family, his loved ones, his soul, and most of all for his children. May God watch over his children for in having to witness what happened, they are gonna need him...

Ok... My open carry firearm is a Springfield Armory XD-40 choosen specifically for the "Grip Saftey" feature as well as the double trigger safety... BOTH have to be engaged before the firearm will discharge.

That being said, I also sometimes conceal (sometimes open) carry a Glock 27 Gen. 4. When concealing the Glock I use a Graco IWB holster on my right side @ about 2 o'clock (personal reasons) angled slightly so the barrel is facing down and back. When open carrying I use an OWB holster on my right hip at about 3 o'clock.

I will admit that the XD with the added saftey feature does offer a little more comfortability factor than the Glock, but as others have said... It is not the firearm it is the person carrying the firearm that makes all the difference in safe vrs non-safe handling... and in that, I have confidence in my knowledge of the safe handling of any firearm.

I will say this... As far as AD vrs ND, I beleive that while an AD is possible (default in the firearm) they are extremeley rare.. most of what is refered to as an AD is (in my opinion) actually a ND... This story being a prime example...The firearm did not malfuntion (AD), the carrier malfunctioned (ND).

Edited to add: As far as carrying "with one in the chamber"... I always carry both firearms fully loaded. As already mentioned the seconds it takes to chamber a round could mean life or death. I have seen an instructor that open carried on the hip with an empty chamber who chambered a round using his pant leg as part or the draw... It was pretty fast but not for me. Also not mentioned, carrying fully loaded gives me 1 extra round ready to go that I would not have if I had to chamber a round from the Mag. before firing.

Outdoorsman1
 
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How does a shirt tail get through a trigger gaurd, If a gun is in your pants, i cant think of many things that can get in the trigger gaurd...... do you have a lot of stuff between your pants and your undies?
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It's actually happened to Police in a good holster, it can most certainly happen without a holster.
 
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