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Dumping empties more efficiently

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by gamestalker, May 7, 2013.

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  1. gamestalker

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    I was doing some thinking the other day, not always a good thing, but anyway, about a quicker way to dump empties. Normally I have to pull each one, one at a time, with exception for those few that drop out by gravity alone. So as I said I was thinking about a better method, and I came up with an idea I tested a couple days ago at the range. I chamfered the inside of the mouths on my speed loaders, so they will easily align with the cartridges, so when I push the extractor rod up, the empties will stick out of the cylinder. It requires supporting the cases with the extractor rod so they don't get pushed back in to the cylinders, but after 3 or 4 practice runs, I was doing it with little to no fumbling.

    Is this something new, or have I just reinvented the wheel? And what methods do some of ya all use that speeds the process up, or just maybe a bit more efficient?

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  2. F-111 John

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    Are you trying to reload your speed loader with the spent casings? If so, why?

    I've done what you've described when unloading my revolver, but the rounds were unfired and fall easily out of the cylinder chambers. For regular unloading, however, swing out the cylinder, point the muzzle in the air, and give the ejector a hard whack with the palm of your hand two times.

    At the range, hold the cylinder through the frame, press the ejector with your thumb, and catch the rounds in your hand(if you wish to keep the brass for reloading.)

    Here is Mas Ayoob demonstrating a high stress reload: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXUwI_d8JlA
     
  3. MrBorland

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    ok, the coffee's brewing, so maybe it's a pre-caffeine fog, but I'm not getting it. :confused: You get the gun muzzle up and let those that'll fall out on their own fall out, but hand pick the rest? And now you use the ejector rod with the muzzle down? :confused:

    How 'bout just using the ejector rod with muzzle up? That's the standard. Check the pic.

    686reload2012Nats.jpg
     
  4. MedWheeler

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    I don't get the question, either. Are you trying to "re-capture" your brass straight from cylinder to speedloader? If so, why?

    You should not be pushing your ejector rod upward; you should be smacking it downward.


    Exactly what process are you trying to speed up? Just unloading? Re-capturing brass?

    I worked several years a a revolver-carrying LEO. I never had an issue with spent cases failing to fall free from the cylinder when I wanted them to. I did more than my fair share of "own-time" training and practice, too, not just what I got on the job.

    MrBorland, is the shooter in your pic left-handed? I am, and never found (back then!) a good rapid-reload technique for the revolver that did not involve a brief switch to the right hand.
     
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  5. Certaindeaf

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    If you want to speedload speedloaders they sell caddies for that. Also, make sure to grab at least six rounds in one hand to load your speedloader, gun or caddy.
    Also, do what MrBorland said.
     
  6. grimjaw

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    MrBorland, RE: the picture you referenced in post #3, like Ayoob mentioned that forcing cone he has his fingers against could get mighty hot. Maybe not after one five-shot cylinder of .38s, but in competition and shooting magnums I think I'd learn a different grip. I have no practical experience with this, but it seems like common sense.
     
  7. Certaindeaf

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    That's the only way to do that. They don't really get that hot. You are only in that position for maybe 1/4 second, max.
     
  8. MrBorland

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    Lefty revolver shooters are presented with some unique reload challenges, to be sure.
    The shooter (yours truly) is right handed, though*. What's shown is a "strong hand reload", though I'll do a "weak hand reload" when needed. Regardless of the method, authoritatively using the ejector while the muzzle's up is the way to get the empties out.

    Practical experience trumps common sense here. ;) The pic was taken in competition (last year's Nationals). And the forcing cone doesn't get that hot. A lot depends on the load; some powders burn a lot hotter than others. I use Clays partly for this reason. Titegroup would likely get my attention.



    * sorta right-handed. I'm actually a lefty, but shoot righty. My left handedness comes in handy when "weak hand only" is required. ;)
     
  9. Thaddeus Jones

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    I'm a lefty. I shift the revolver to my right hand and push the thumb latch with my trigger finger. Open the cylinder with my right thumb and forefinger.

    Right hand thumb through the cylinder window (careful not to touch the hot forcing cone! ) Start tilting the revolver muzzle vertical.

    With muzzle vertical, using ball of left hand, slap the ejector rod.

    Muzzle down and reload. :) Simple. Just not easy. ;)
     
  10. Certaindeaf

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    I've always used my non-dominant thumb to dump empties while my right hand is going for the speedloader, just like MrBorland shows so well.
     
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    I use the "switchover" method and actually smack the ejector hard with my strong hand before grabbing the speedloader, but otherwise do just what Mr. Borland shows.

    My empties tend to eject just as far as those of the auto guys! :)
     
  12. Certaindeaf

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    I hear you smackers.. lolz. I've never had brass hang up or fail to eject even with short ejector rod snub guns.
    Anyway, now if we can only get the OP to elaborate..
     
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    This is making my head hurt.

    I thought within the first few words we were being asked to consider a single action then "speed loader" gets thrown in so I figure no SA.
    Then - it seems the speed loader is being used to empty a revolver.

    Sounds to me like there's a cylinder cleanliness or case condition issue here to be addressed rather than a technique being needed to assist gravity.

    Maybe the time of the posting gives us some insight into the perspective of the OP?:evil:
     
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    I think this is the main deal and problem/issue. As I think has been said a few times now, don't do that.. turn the revolver muzzle up and deploy the ejector rod, pushing it down.. the cases will fall out on the ground where they belong.
    but it's been a wild ride
     
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    ...... and you don't get the burned powder into the action either, nor under the ejection rod star.
     
  16. Walkalong

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    I do like Mr Borland. If I am only shooting at targets, I cup my right hand to catch the empties.

    In a defensive situation, I hope I never get the gun too hot to handle that way. Heck, I wouldn't have enough ammo with me to do so anyway. Besides, what's a little singed meat in a life and death shootout.
     
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    I'm right handed so I usually engage the cylinder latch with my right thumb while transfering the pistol to my left hand. My left hand holds the cylinder (muzzle up) and the thumb punches down the ejector rod. The right hand is grabbing a reload. Empties fall to the ground.
     
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    When I shot a double action revolver in competition, I learned to turn the muzzle to the sky and stroke the ejector rod with my left hand. Most of the empties were falling out of the cylinder prior to the rod stroke but I hit it to make sure. Then my left hand grabbed a speed loader and recharged the cylinder. Close the cylinder and back to shooting. The revolver never left my shooting hand and reaquiring a shooting grip was not a problem. For me it was an easier reload than switching hands. Just something I got used to.
     
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    I'm guessing the OP is a reloader?
     
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    So am I, but I don't try to put empty's back in my speed loaders while still in the cylinder to save them.

    I generally set a 1 gal Folgers coffee can on the bench and eject them into it.
    Then snap the lid on the can and go home with it when I get done.

    rc
     
  21. Certaindeaf

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    I reload and dump them on my foot. When I'm done I pick them up.
     
  22. gamestalker

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    I'm not referring to a defensive situation, range shooting. What I'm trying to prevent is dumping my rounds on the ground, I reload. And since I'm not standing where my recovery bag or can is, I am using the now empty speed loader to grab all 6 at one time, and then drop it into my pocket. Previous to trying this, I was doing as everyone else does, point the muzzle up, and then use the extractor rod to push them out.

    GS
     
  23. Certaindeaf

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    Well, you'll do as you train so maybe just dump them into a coffee can.
     
  24. WC145

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    Get it cut for moonclips, they all pop out together, no chasing loose brass.
     
  25. barnbwt

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    One word, just one word; Moonclips.

    TCB
     
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