A common situation is that a car will be registered in the names of both the husband and wife. Either one might be the driver. That might lead to a discrepancy, when the driver is not the one with the gun carry license. Usually that would not be a problem, but under just the right circumstances, it might be.
A compilation among many states. Some require only contact ,some only if asked some Hybrids. Here is the latest update from August, 2023, to try to straighten it out:
I wil add a poll to see how THR feels about this issue. Its important to know the facts as we travel around the USA.
In synopsis it seems 10 states and DC require disclosing.
Here in OK I don't think you have to inform unless asked.Oklahoma. We have duty to inform. I've been pulled over for speeding. By the time the police officer walks up to the car I have my right hand on top of the steering wheel in plain view. My left hand is sticking out of the window holding my driver's license and CCL. Then I tell them I have a sidearm OWB on my left side.
The first time, the police officer took both licenses, looked at the CCL, handed it back and asked what kind of gun I had. I told him a Sig Sauer P239. He got all excited and started talking about his Sig collection. And I got all excited and told him about my Sig collection. He gave me a warning and we both went our way.
The second time (fairly recent), the police officer took both licenses, looked at the CCL, thanked me and handed the CCL back. He went to his cruiser, ran the check, came back and gave me a warning. Then he pointed to my (new F-150 pickup) and said, "That's my favorite color." (It's a new color: "Area 51 blue.") And we talked about trucks. His wife wants a Bronco in that color. He wished me a good day and I said, "Be safe", and we went our respective ways.
It's no big deal in OK. Maybe if you're amped up on crack it might be a big deal. But otherwise....
I kinda agree with some of this. Threads about interactions with the police during a traffic stop always seem to have some unseemly obsequious groveling, especially the "phraseology" of what to say to the police. I've never had anything but adult conversations in my very few interactions with an officer.I don't know how to say this gently, so take it however and it is what it is. It seems to me, just by the tone of stuff like this, that a lot of people seem to be OK with being subservient to the government and their minions. This isnt how things are supposed to be, and why are you dealing with them with a "hat in your hands" attitude?
This isnt the third grade, and you dont have to show your hall pass to everyone on your way to take a leak. But that seems to be the mentality with a lot, if not most people. I get the impression a lot of times, that people like to show off things like a carry permit, because it shows (in my best George Carlin voice) they are special and they follow the rules.
Oh, look, Im a good little boy, I have my pass, or permission to do this or that. You need their permission to do what is supposed to be a right? Seriously? This is the major problem these days, and in all directions, and exactly where the powers that be want the populace to be, whipped, fearful, under their control, and afraid to do anything, without asking their permission first.
Old Dog is right, in a traffic stop, you dont have to give them anything other than whats required for the stop. And then ****. They arent there to be your buddy and aren't concerned with your well being, and anything they ask you is to get you to give them any reason to take things further, if thats what they want. By all means, be reasonably pleasant and courteous, but dont expect any favors or think your "hall pass" is going to get you any favors. Do your job, write the damn ticket, and let me be on my way.
I get so damned aggravated anymore when I see all this silly crap going on and people thinking its OK that "we, the people" arent the top of the food chain, and that the people who supposedly work for us, are somehow in charge of us now.
Why all the focus on cars and plates and driver's licenses? A large percentage of all of contacts with law enforcement do not involve a motor vehicle, nor is a driver's license ever part of the equation.
Good to know. I'll continue to give them both my DL and my CCL because, like having both my hands visible when they approach the vehicle, it makes their job easier by lessening tension.Here in OK I don't think you have to inform unless asked.
That's a very good point- better off not to have someone handle their gun when you have then pulled over for a traffic stop.I've never understood officers that request people to disarm themselves during a simple stop. I think the officer is setting themselves up for trouble if they end up getting in a shooting because once you give someone permission to touch their firearm at what point are you justified in shooting?
If the gun is holstered I'll give clear instructions for the gun to remain holstered and to not touch it. If it's a hunter with a long gun I'll request that they simply lean it against the nearest tree or safe object but I may not even do that depending on the type of encounter. If it's an uncased firearm in a vehicle I'll move the person instead of the gun by asking the occupants to exit the car if I feel necessary.
Gun handling should be kept to a minimum with clear instructions to avoid misunderstandings. If I have to shoot someone I want it to be after giving clear instructions not to touch the gun, not after telling them to manipulate it somehow.
That's a very good point- better off not to have someone handle their gun when you have then pulled over for a traffic stop.
I don't know that it's a good idea for an officer to to take the gun on a traffic stop either. What's the point unless you think the guy is dangerous? And if the guy is dangerous, are you going to leave him in a car and just take the gun he told you about? He has a car and God-knows-what-else inside the car.
I notified in Georgia on a traffic stop. I was driving home from Richmond, VA in a rental car because the airports were shut down for snow. When I got out of snow and ice, I put my foot on the gas and made up some time. I got pulled over by a city cop sitting in the dark on the interstate.
I notified the cop I was carrying and he disarmed me. Super nice guy, but he scared me a little. I had a Glock 27 in a pocket holster and he had a hard time fumbling around to try to get it out. He had a hard time pulling the Teflon coated slide and had the muzzle pointed at his abdomen while he was clearing it. Again, he was a super nice guy, very polite, very understanding, and he let me off with a warning.
I almost would have rather just handed him my license and rental contract, even if I had to pay the ticket I deserved.
He might have been a nice guy, polite and all, but that's just pretty stupid. I've never worked anywhere where disarming someone during a stop for a traffic violation with no other circumstances involved would even be considered.I notified the cop I was carrying and he disarmed me. Super nice guy, but he scared me a little. I had a Glock 27 in a pocket holster and he had a hard time fumbling around to try to get it out. He had a hard time pulling the Teflon coated slide and had the muzzle pointed at his abdomen while he was clearing it. Again, he was a super nice guy, very polite, very understanding, and he let me off with a warning.
You're in Salem? Remember this incident in your neck of the woods not too long ago?Up until this thread I used to think having to inform a leo that pulls you over was stupid. My thought had been that bad guys aren't going to offer that info and permit holders are rarely if ever a threat. In Oregon we're not required to let the police know we are armed. If it makes them feel more comfortable then if I am ever pulled over again I will volunteer the information even though it's not required. It hadn't occurred to me that the police would be more at ease knowing you have a permit but it does makes sense. I should have read this thread before I voted and I see no way to change it.